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Oh, I'm going to enjoy this :-)
Sarah | Homepage | 07.08.19 - 7:23 a.m. | #
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This pub was (until we moved office) frequented by many of my colleagues and me. Very grotty place, with no even halfway decent cider. People did appreciate their £3 ales though.
Muzer | 07.08.19 - 8:27 a.m. | #
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Interesting. I used to work in Finsbury Square, I did know at the time that I technically didn't work "in the City", but just outside it, but I didn't know I was having after work drinks in Hackney and eating my lunch in the City of London.
Jonathan | 07.08.19 - 9:17 a.m. | #
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I live within ¼ mile of the Brent/Harrow/Barnet triple point.
A mile away lies the NW9/HA8/HA7/HA3 almost quadruple point, a point lost on some market researchers quizzing customers at Safeway -> Morrison's...
Helen D Vecht | 07.08.19 - 9:21 a.m. | #
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I too look forward to this series.
If you head to the Harrow/Hillingdon/Ealing point you'll be near my house!
But you probably won't because there's nothing to see but some houses and a railway bridge!
Cornish Cockney | 07.08.19 - 9:49 a.m. | #
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A brilliant idea. Just the sort of content that I visit this blog for. I had forgotten about Broad Street station. I was at the City of London College in the late 1960s when this area was starting to be redeveloped. I must now revisit to see all the changes. Unfortunately, I did not keep photos which would help me to remember times past. Thanks DG.
Dave | 07.08.19 - 9:52 a.m. | #
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...oh i looking forward to this series of posts. makes me feel like an armchair city explorer
Grumpy Anon | 07.08.19 - 10:14 a.m. | #
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If they open a confectionary shop on Finsbury avenue they could brand it 'sweet FA'.
Milo | 07.08.19 - 11:14 a.m. | #
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I worked around here just 20 years ago, and it has already changed enormously.
Andrew | 07.08.19 - 11:57 a.m. | #
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I'm sorry DG, I've been waiting for a while but it still says 'Assosiates'.
freddie fitch | 07.08.19 - 12:28 p.m. | #
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Alas, staring at a spelling mistake doesn't change it. Fixed now, thanks!
diamond geezer | Homepage | 07.08.19 - 12:33 p.m. | #
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The photos included seem so different, I couldn't believe they are at the same junction until I found the Streetview. Great find. Looking forward to more triple points.
Anon | 07.08.19 - 12:45 p.m. | #
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I just wanted to mention that the 'One Crown Place' development is on the site of the pioneering Clarkson's Holidays HQ, the Grandaddies of package holidays to Spain and other Mediterranean countries, but mostly Spain.
The company was enormously successful, but badly managed and went down in 1974. I jobbed there 1971/72 and must say, it was the worst employer I ever had. A place full of intrigues and dreadful employment pratices.
Crown Place was still part of Clifton Street in those days.
IsarSteve | Homepage | 07.08.19 - 2:36 p.m. | #
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Out of interest, will this series include the 'Quadruple point' where Bromley, Croydon, Lambeth and Southwark all meet?
dg writes: No, because it doesn't exist.
X-Plaistow | 07.08.19 - 4:28 p.m. | #
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On changes hereabouts, the C20 Society advocated listing much of the Broadgate development at grade II* before its 30th birthday, and then the remaining parts (once the horrible 5 Broadgate "groundscraper" was built) at grade II a few years later. Both recommendations to list by English Heritage/Historic England were turned down by the Secretary of State. After further redevelopment, Historic England has declined to recommend the listing of the remaining building at 1-2 Broadgate, so that will probably go soon too.
As they say, "Questions need to be asked as to how this came about and why DCMS time and again ignored recommendations from its own appointed advisors, until the integrity of the scheme had become irreversibly compromised."
One of the nicer features of the Broadgate development is the public art. The granite statues of "Ganapathi" and "Devi" by Stephen Cox, formerly on the roundabout when Sun Street met Appold Street, have been relocated, but the metal "Go Between Screens" by Alan Evans seem to have disappeared.
Andrew | 07.08.19 - 4:31 p.m. | #
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"if I pick carefully I can visit all of London's 33 boroughs in just eleven stops."
Is there a unique solution to this topological problem?
timbo | 07.08.19 - 4:42 p.m. | #
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Never mind. I was obviously mis-remembering that blog post.
X-Plaistow | 07.08.19 - 5:34 p.m. | #
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For a borough surrounded by other boroughs, the number of triple points equals the number of neighbours. For a borough adjacent the GLA boundary it is one less than the number of neighbours. Using the figures from your July 5th post, the total number of neighbours is 158, and the number of outer London boroughs is 14. As this counts each triple point three times, the total is (158-14)/3 = 48, or "approximately 50". Thirteen of these are in the middle of the Thames.
timbo | 07.08.19 - 5:44 p.m. | #
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Street name signs: “Borough of Shoreditch” 2; City of London 1; London Borough of Islington, not so much.
Rich G | Homepage | 07.08.19 - 5:53 p.m. | #
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Give my regards to Broadgate
TheLupineOne | 07.08.19 - 7:06 p.m. | #
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Seems a shame to abandon this series just as it starts. Perhaps a few more (11 or 12 or 13) would do it, if completing it in 10 more is impossible. Or a comprehensive survey of all 50-odd. As Timbo points out, a trip down the river would tick off many.
Andrew | 08.08.19 - 10:50 a.m. | #
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"They call them 1FA, 2FA and 3FA these days, because branding has spoken."
Do branding people not know the crude version of the FA acronym?
Will | 08.08.19 - 1:13 p.m. | #
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I've managed to work a way of covering all 33 boroughs in 12 triple points although I don't think it can be done in 11. Here is the set I came up with, starting (like DG) with:
City/Hackney/Islington
Brent/Camden/Westminster
K&Chelsea/Wandsworth/Westminster***
Croydon/Merton/Sutton
Bromley/Lambeth/Southwark
Greenwich/Lewisham/T Hamlets***
B&Dagenham/Bexley/Havering***
Newham/Redbridge/Waltham Forest
Barnet/Enfield/Haringey
Ealing/Harrow/Hillingdon
H&Fulham/Hounslow/Richmond***
Kingston/Merton/Wandsworth
(*** denotes that the triple point is in the Thames)
X-Plaistow | 08.08.19 - 4:35 p.m. | #
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I can do 12 with no ***s
...and 12 starting with City/Hackney/Islington and only one *** (and that's on a bridge)
...but 11 is alas impossible.
diamond geezer | Homepage | 08.08.19 - 5:43 p.m. | #
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Alas.
So, a series of 12 then - pretty please?
Andrew | 09.08.19 - 11:42 a.m. | #
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A triple point on a Thames Bridge - I hadn't noticed that before.
(Chelsea Bridge, to save others looking)
timbo | 09.08.19 - 6:07 p.m. | #
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FYI, I've managed to come up with a proof that the 11 point problem is impossible. It starts by eliminating triple points that cannot be used in a theoretical set of 11. Then, once a borough is down to a single point that point is selected to be in the set and other points are discarded. Eventually, it becomes clear that the last remaining points for both Hounslow and Kensington & Chelsea involve Hammersmith & Fulham and this duplication means that an 11 point set is impossible.
I suppose the next question is: How much boundary redrawing will be necessary to make the 11 point problem possible?
X-Plaistow | 09.08.19 - 10:49 p.m. | #
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