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I assumed it was called "The Drain" because "Waterloo & City" could be shortend to the old term for a toilet "WC".
Barry | 17.09.13 - 7:23 a.m. | #
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It also has the only retail sales kiosk on a Tube-level platform (at Waterloo).
Kim | 17.09.13 - 7:35 a.m. | #
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According to my surprisingly large book, "The Waterloo & City Railway" by Gillham, there was a plan in the 1930s to link the Waterloo & City to the East London Line. Not impossible then.
Max Roberts | Homepage | 17.09.13 - 8:16 a.m. | #
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http://stations.aeracode.org/#bnk seems rather good at illustrating the point about extensions.
Briantist | Homepage | 17.09.13 - 8:39 a.m. | #
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Whooppee - that is an absolutely fab model by Andrew Godwin, thanks Briantist!
B | 17.09.13 - 9:55 a.m. | #
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A rare typo: the line runs under Stamford Street to Waterloo.
dg writes: Tweaked, thanks.
Paul | 17.09.13 - 10:16 a.m. | #
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I don't seem to be able to open the link to Andrew Godwin's model.
I can't see that a statoin at Blackfriars will ever happen: in the rush hours the line is packed solid anyway, so no-one would ever be able to get on at Blackfriars. And for passengers to/from from Waterloo, interchange with the District is already available at Bank/Monument and Embankment and with Thameslink at London Bridge.
timbo | 17.09.13 - 10:49 a.m. | #
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Alas your rebuttal of extending the line does not deter the true fantasist.
They just suggest building new longer platformed stations at either end at different depths. After you take a deep breath, even with your best efforts you can't get them to see, that with the vast expense and disruption involved it would be cheaper to just build a new line and leave the old one running.
But the rail boards are still littered with proposals to serve South London with extensions.
Other favourites involve swapping branches around and complex underground junction building.
Other topics to avoid, if you do not want to deal with the fanatics are Maglevs and P.R.T.
Rational Plan | 17.09.13 - 10:52 a.m. | #
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Forgot to mention that, rather than building a new station at Blackfriars, the western end of the City would be better served (as well as improving passenger flow at Bank), by opening up an entrance from the west end of the platforms at Bank. Given the slope required for an escalator, the entrance would emerge in the ticket hall at Mansion House - providing an interchange with the District as a by-product.
timbo | 17.09.13 - 11:17 a.m. | #
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@timbo "I can't see that a statoin at Blackfriars will ever happen: in the rush hours the line is packed solid anyway, so no-one would ever be able to get on at Blackfriars."
I would have thought if there was a new station at Blackfriars, some people would also get off, hence making room for those that want to get on!
@Barry interesting comment, there seem to be so many possible reasons as to why the line is nicknamed the drain. I would love to know which one is the real reason or if in fact there are multiple reasons.
Jon Combe | 17.09.13 - 12:42 p.m. | #
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I'm guessing there wasn't any Chinese involvement with the opening, but 8 o'clock on the 8th day of the 8th month is a very auspicious start time according to Chinese superstition.
Peter G | 17.09.13 - 2:37 p.m. | #
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"I would have thought if there was a new station at Blackfriars, some people would also get off, hence making room for those that want to get on!"
But who would want to use it only between Bank and Blackfriars?
I would certainly appreciate a direct service - be it tube, bus, or cable car - between Blackfriars and Waterloo: but the W&C will never be able to provide it without a huge increase in capacity - which means extending (or replacing) both existing stations and the depot so they can take at least six and probably eight cars. And if you're spending all that money, it would be almost as cheap to start from scratch and build a new line alongside.
A Blackfriars stop would also reduce the overall capacity of the line by extending the end to end time.
timbo | 17.09.13 - 2:44 p.m. | #
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@Kim
The on-platform kiosk is at Bank, not Waterloo
tim | 17.09.13 - 9:10 p.m. | #
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"Journey time between Waterloo and platform 8 at Bank is 4 minutes. It's quicker from platform 7 to Waterloo (3½ minutes), but slower from Waterloo to platform 7 (4¼ minutes)."
The reasons for these differences are because trains leaving from platform 8 have to negotiate the scissors crossover, whereas those from platform 8 get a straight run out. However, approaching Bank, the trains' speed is limited whether they are crossing the scissors to platform 8 or going straight in to platform 7, as part of the "Moorgate control" system which will stop the train automatically if the train approaches at a speed fast enough to over-run the buffers should the driver forget to apply the brakes.
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It's the only Tube line to have been sponsored (although it wasn't part of the Tube then) - the trains carried the logo of Allied Lyons in the late-80s.
Darryl | Homepage | 17.09.13 - 9:39 p.m. | #
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The old SR trains didn't have windscreen wipers - a fact that had passed me by all these years. OK the tunnels are dry - no need for them.
So why do the new trains have wipers, then? Has the rain seeped through the tunnels by 1994 ? Or is it a rigid, unthinking piece of H&S mantra?
Petras409 | 19.09.13 - 6:24 p.m. | #
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No such thing these days as "can't be done" for an engineering project. Bank Station could be relocated (never mind practicalities like price), as could the Waterloo Depot. Platforms can be lengthened and tunnels rebuilt. You should see what we did for Angel and London Bridge - Hounslow West station was relocated to serve the route through to LHR (before my time on LU!). The real question is what value would extensions and upgrades serve?
The new trains have wipers because they're standard 1992 rolling stock in a different livery - no variation at all, or none I knew of! It would probably have cost more to leave the wipers out than to install them?
Joel Kosminsky | 20.09.13 - 11:26 a.m. | #
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