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(not including this one).
This should be fun. I do enjoy using the Overground - have been on three different routes in the last week or so.
I got to use the GOBLIN's PIXC-buster for the first time last week. It's a very civilised way to travel, even if I was overcharged for my journey. I hope it gets a wee mention.
Ten years? I suppose it must be. I remember going on a railtour organised by Silverlink covering some of the more obscure parts of their former network. I wrote at the time about how the Overground project promised improvements to the GOBLIN - I'm not sure these have materialised, just yet.
Well, this news has brightened my week!
Platform 3 at West Croydon offers two sorts of trains - Southern trains to Victoria and Overground trains to 'Highbury & I'.

Each morning clumps of people form on Platform 3 in very specific places. A Victoria train will come in, but they ignore it. They will hold their position until the next Overground train appears, for they know that they will be precisely aligned with the doors. Into the empty train pour the passengers. Those in the lead head for the most-favoured seats (furthest from the doors, next to the flexi-joint). All the seats fill. Only when the train reaches Canada Water (interchange with the Jubilee line) will seats reappear. Such is the popularity of this line.

A SPAR is a Signal Passed At Red and is normally only allowed under special circumstances. At West Croydon a SPAR occurs four times an hour. Overground trains are allowed to leave Platform 4 against the red signal at the platform end to take their place on the reversing siding. Is there a driver reading this who can explain it?

@RayL Is it now called SPAR? I thought these were known as SPADs.

For shunting movements I think there are small ground level signals. Maybe these are giving the permission to move at West Croydon.

There is both SPAD and SPAR. Situation with shunt signal happens all the time. Think of it like passing a red signal at traffic lights because you have a green filter which overrides the red signal for the particular move you are making.
Look for something like this or this.
Battersea Park also gets used as a terminus when there are issues with points/signalling at Clapham Junction. Also if there is a seriously delayed service going into Clapham and the next overground is close behind. They often end up running 6-8 mins late going westbound..

So the parliamentary service is standard with some infrequent diversions.
Having been out of the country for its first five years, and it not being particularly useful for the journeys I tend to make, I know very little about the Overground, so am hoping to learn a bit more.

Such as why the Underground manages to run trains every 1-3 minutes, but every time I've used the Overground I've had a 20 minute wait, at least!
Take your pick:
Because they're part of the national rail network, because they share tracks with freight service, because not being self-contained means, they are much more susceptible to delay, because Overground trains are larger and have much higher capacity than tube trains they needn't run as often, because despite the huge increase in passenger numbers since 2007 they are still far less frequented than the tube (with the notable exception of the East London line core, which is why that bit *does* get a train every 4 minutes). Or because you were just unlucky.
@Cornish Cockney

Many Overground services have to share tracks with other services (for example between Liverpool Street and Clapton, or more particularly the freight trains on the West and South London lines.

You must have been very unlucky (or very selective) to have had to wait as much as twenty minutes for an Overground service, let alone more. Only the Emerson Park shuttle and the outer reaches of the Enfield/ Cheshunt routes (beyond their divergence at Edmonton) have a service less frequent than 3 trains per hour. Even then, with 2 tph the average time you would wait would be 15 minutes (maximum 30 minutes).

The busiest section is between Dalston Junction and Surrey Quays (up to 16 trains per hour, or better than every four minutes).
I am already loving this week, DG, as it allows me to show off my excellent knowledge of almost everything. Thak you!
Thanks Geoff & Timbo. That makes more sense now.










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