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4. The Capitol is quite a delight but I don't find myself in Forest Hill to use it as often as I'd like.
5. Isn't/wasn't Ferfect Fried Chicken a franchise? That logo and emblem appears in a good number of places.
dg writes: No
They should show some imagination and just find a US state no-one else has thought of... Wyoming Fried Chicken?
Tim Roll-Pickering | 04.01.23 - 12:55 a.m. | #
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No more a local however when I rented a room in the townhouse on corner of De Frene Road and Mayow Road yes not quite in se23...
dg interrupts: tell us this anecdote again in three years time.
Noel | 04.01.23 - 3:02 a.m. | #
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23 Blythe Hill Tavern
JonF | 04.01.23 - 7:33 a.m. | #
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23 The Forest Hill Christadelphians make some strikingly specific claims about the world in the bullet point posters which adorn their Hamilton Hall church
Dominic Self | Homepage | 04.01.23 - 8:13 a.m. | #
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In the early 1970’s the Evening Standard ran a Treasure Hunt competition over several weeks. On the final day several hundred enthusiasts made their way (according to the paper ) to Forest Hill to find a church spire which had been transplanted to a council estate. It was still there in 2015 when I made my way uphill from the station but I can’t remember the exact address.
dg writes: marginally SE26.
Keith | 04.01.23 - 8:43 a.m. | #
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The Sylvan Post is a lovely pub, formerly owned by Antic I think, now owned by Portobello Brewery who have several other pubs in former GPO buildings plus Knowles of Norwood in an old hardware store.
Mark | 04.01.23 - 8:49 a.m. | #
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23. A house number that is 23 something street
P | 04.01.23 - 8:49 a.m. | #
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The B227 and B218 make a wonderful Catford bypass.
Southern Heights (Light Railway) | 04.01.23 - 8:58 a.m. | #
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No 23
There are the Havelock Walk Studios on the cobbled Havelock just up from the station and before you hit Sainsbury. They have Open Days 2 or 3 times a year.
David Mach, the sculpture had his studios here until very recently. He is responsible for the Out of Order installation in Kingston Upon Thames, (the collapsing phone boxes) and in the 80s, a model of a Polaris submarine made out of used car tyres, awakening a talent for satire in tyre resellers up and down the country.
Graeme | 04.01.23 - 9:08 a.m. | #
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Outside Forest Hill station is a local information sign, with a marvellous sculpture on top.
Ian | 04.01.23 - 9:11 a.m. | #
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A 'One Tree Hill' yesterday, and another today. Do we get the one in Basildon tomorrow?
martin'O'Holcombe | 04.01.23 - 9:16 a.m. | #
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One day, not too long from now, the 12 year-old will decide that he's too old for the Horniman. And I will be a little bit sad on that day. I think I already enjoy it more than he does.
Chz | 04.01.23 - 9:22 a.m. | #
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A few other 23s.
I forgot the Croydon Canal ran through here, (28 locks from New Cross), there is a bas relief mural underneath the Signal pub celebrates this heritage.
Just down the road from the Signal is one of London's first public toilet conversions. Converted in 2002 it was originally a 2 storey! toilet block. It makes sense after all as it is in the Borough of Looisham.
There is also a 330 year old Christopher Wren spire from a City church in an estate at the back of the library.
dg writes: SE26
I think Timothy Spall still lives here and his daughter has a haberdashery and craft shop on Dartmouth Road.
George Cornell, killed by the Krays in the Blind Beggar is buried in Camberwell New Cemetery
Graeme | 04.01.23 - 9:24 a.m. | #
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23) Pastor Dietrich Bonhoeffer lived at 2 Manor Mount SE23 while serving the German Lutheran congregations of Forest Hill and Whitechapel between 1933 and 1935. There's a memorial plaque on the outside.
Joachim | 04.01.23 - 9:34 a.m. | #
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23) The old railway line next to the Horniman.
Jonathan | 04.01.23 - 9:59 a.m. | #
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Some very nice white 30s houses in Horniman Drive for those who enjoy that sort of thing. It’s quite a climb, but the potential (not today) for even more distant views.
dg writes: indeed.
Philip Downer | 04.01.23 - 10:02 a.m. | #
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That menu looks seriously different and good.
David | 04.01.23 - 10:11 a.m. | #
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Rare remaining part of the Croydon Canal visible in Darces Wood Nature Reserve, Dacres Road. Raised banks of the canal also visible behind the crematorium in Camberwell New Cemetery.
Most of SE23 between Forest Hill rail station and Hornimans Museum used to be Sydenham Common before it was enclosed.
Le Ver | 04.01.23 - 10:21 a.m. | #
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Info on the Chandos' interior of some regional importance, if anyone's interested, here.
I would guess that unlike the Capitol, you'd be unlikely to get a Becks for 99p there these days.
James | 04.01.23 - 10:34 a.m. | #
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There are loads of places in the UK called Honor Oak, Gospel Oak etc; these derive from the annual processions that in pre-map days were designed to imprint on the public memory where the boundaries of a parish were. At each boundary marker (often a tree) verses from the Bible (eg exhorting one o respect one's neighbour and his metes and bounds) were recited. Honor Oak was at the western boundary of Lewisham, and the county of Kent.
Crispy | 04.01.23 - 10:42 a.m. | #
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Missed Tewkesbury Lodge Folly in a private garden though and perhaps the owner wouldn't want the general public traipsing through his property. I've been fortunate to go up it, impressive view from the top.
Roger | 04.01.23 - 11:50 a.m. | #
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SE23 resident here - and was For Your Eyes Only open when you were out and about? London’s last video rental shop, I believe, and thankfully still with us even after a Porsche drove right through the front window last year.
Ben P | Homepage | 04.01.23 - 12:10 p.m. | #
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Jonathan beat me to it but there is a disused railway line that used to pass through SE23, although I don't think there is much to see these days.
cjw714 | 04.01.23 - 12:28 p.m. | #
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I used to love the Horniman Museum as a kid so it's great to hear it's both relatively unchanged and still very popular getting on for 40 years later.
cjw714 | 04.01.23 - 12:28 p.m. | #
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Walters Way near the top of Honor Oak Park has some interesting self-built wooden flat-roofed homes inspired by the Swiss architect Walter Segal.
dg writes: indeed.
Keith | 04.01.23 - 1:10 p.m. | #
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A few more SE23 points of interest:
- Forest Hill School, on Mayow Road, was a flagship of the London County Council policy of building new comprehensive schools when it opened in 1956 (info taken from the school's website)
- Dietrich Bonhoeffer Kirche, a German Lutheran church on Dacres Road (see also Joachim's comment above)
- the gym next to Ferfect Fried Chicken used to be a branch of McDonald's
The pedestrian subway next to WHSmiths which goes under the station used to have a flight of steps up to a middle platform on the "fast" lines through the station. The middle platform has long since gone, the site of the stairs, bricked up, remained visible for many years (I think it is now hidden behind modern panels)
- as noted above by Jonathan, the nature walk alongside Horniman Gardens is on the route of the Crystal Palace High Level branch line, closed in 1954.
- Lapsewood Walk estate, built partly on the site of Lordship Lane station. The station was the subject of a painting by Camille Pissarro in 1871 although the bridge (which still exists) where the artist painted is just outside the SE23 boundary.
- the bus terminus at the Chandos is shown as "Brockley Rise" on route 172, but "Honor Oak Park" on route P12.
- impressive views from the summit of Canonbie Road (one of London's steepest residential roads with an 18% gradient)
- SE23 is the birthplace and childhood home of this regular reader :-)
Malc M | 04.01.23 - 1:23 p.m. | #
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21) Thanks so much for that one. My Dad's family used to live in the area and one day, in the car with him, he pointed to a turning to our right and said 'Spike Milligan used to live in one of the roads down there.' In the years since, I've seen a number of references to places Milligan is said to have lived at (mostly around Catford) and tried using GoogleMaps to take myself back to the spot, but never with any success.
As soon as you said Gabriel Road, it was a fresh clue. All I could remember was that the comment had been made just before we passed a parade of shops, and - as soon as I put myself on Honor Oak Road at the junction with Grierson Road - the memory came right back!
4) Unfortunately, Forest Hill was for some reason one of the target areas for the Mardi Gra Bomber, active in the 1990s, with one of the devices having been planted at the Sainsbury's near enough opposite the Capitol.
10) Another of the features of One Tree Hill (not mentioned in the link) is the base of an anti-aircraft battery, hastily erected in 1915 in response to the growing threat of attacks on London by Zeppelins.
RogerW | 04.01.23 - 1:43 p.m. | #
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For the best view of the Central London skyline walk fron Horniman Gardens along Horniman Drive, left into Ringmore Rise and then stop at the junction with Liphook Crescent. The houses built above road level in Ringmore Rise must have a spledid view. This is close to the folly mentioned by another reader.
The station at Honor Oak on the closed Crystal Palace High Level line was in SE23. The Nature Trail alongside Horniman Gardens has a pond on the trackbed near Langton Rise. The exit gate to Langton Rise is usually locked.
For postal historians Devonshire Road has two hexagonal Penfold letter boxes and a Victorian sorting office nicely converted into flats.
If you exit Horniman Museum and turn right up London Road you will soon be standing on London's (and probably South East Englands) only Col.
One Tree Hill and Blythe Hill Fields are two of the three hills on The Brockley Three Peaks Walk. The other is Hilly Fields in SE4/SE13.
I used to live at 23 Woodcombe Crescent, SE23.
AlanJS | 04.01.23 - 2:41 p.m. | #
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2. "Just don't get locked in after the museum closes" leaves me wondering if this is just general advice or from bitter experience.
Andrew S | 04.01.23 - 5:43 p.m. | #
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In the 1970s I drove the 171 bus from Tottenham in north London to Forest Hill. The 171 was a tram replacement route for the tram 33, terminating at West Norwood before swapping southern ends with the 172 (also a tram replacement route). Both tram services used the Holborn underpass.
winsleigh | 05.01.23 - 7:05 p.m. | #
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"Thank you for not touching the walrus or sitting on the iceberg". I want that on a T-shirt.
yerrong | 06.01.23 - 3:43 a.m. | #
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