please empty your brain below
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Richard | 01.09.20 - 7:38 a.m. | #
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I was thinking of getting a little holiday home somewhere and spending a few months of the year there instead. A mate is planning to move to Scotland from North London.
Instead of imploring us to go back to the office, they should re-invent the city. But no, that would require thought.
Southern Heights (Light Railway) | 01.09.20 - 7:47 a.m. | #
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Spot on. I wish my friend had the same point of view, I tried to convince him that for many employees enjoying working from home, this has been a great period. Of course some want to go back--but I would love to work from home (have to come into work in the hospital)
We could transform people's work life and the economy for the better, but no, they are obsessed with getting back to the ways things were.
Jonathan | 01.09.20 - 7:57 a.m. | #
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Come back or property values will crash and we'll have to bail out the banks (again).
Let it burn.
Still Anon | 01.09.20 - 8:03 a.m. | #
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I have never worked so productively or with so little stress as I have for the past five months. Thankfully there is little chance of our open plan hellhole reopening this side of Christmas. We are, however, expected to intermingle in classrooms with the biggest annual mass internal migration in about four weeks time, but everyone is being issued with two masks, so that's all right then.
Sarah | Homepage | 01.09.20 - 8:18 a.m. | #
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Abandon the cheap Cheese and Marmite sandwich you've been making on the kitchen and spend pounds more on a cellophane wrapped sandwich from Costa. GO BACK.
The trains have been running so punctually without you and your hordes of fellow commuters. Add to the crush and watch reliability tumble. GO BACK
Petras409 | 01.09.20 - 8:44 a.m. | #
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Schools, universities, commuting, offices, winter. What can possibly go wrong.
Andrew | 01.09.20 - 8:51 a.m. | #
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Johnson, etc, may have caught the coronavirus at work, but they are not necessarily immune. There is reason to think it may be possible for a person to catch it more than once.
Andrew | 01.09.20 - 8:56 a.m. | #
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“ Your mask will magically protect you... transforming you into an impregnable superhero...”
OMG, a superhero <rushes out to buy superhero mask>
Toni | 01.09.20 - 9:02 a.m. | #
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Yawn.
David | 01.09.20 - 9:06 a.m. | #
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Don't forget that TEACHERS have a MORAL obligation to go back and educate the failing children the Tories couldn't give a fuck about. How are private schools doing.
Brian | 01.09.20 - 9:07 a.m. | #
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You may have noticed that other countries are seeing a big rise in cases. I was reading in the Guardian this morning that one theory as to why they're not rising so fast in the UK is because we mostly haven't gone back to the office...
[Full disclosure: I work from home all the time anyway]
Andrew Bowden | Homepage | 01.09.20 - 9:08 a.m. | #
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It would help if the government published statistics showing deaths by age, gender, ethnicity and by underlying health condition. Perhaps some comparable statistics re the annual flu death toll. People could then make a more informed decision regarding going back to work and the associated risks.
I can see the advantages of some home working but not everybody has a large enough home to do so for all time, let alone the social consequences of not meeting up in person at times.
J. | 01.09.20 - 9:09 a.m. | #
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I thought I was okay with the little one going back to school on Thursday, but I'm starting to feel apprehensive about it. I think if he hadn't been in hospital for his asthma last year I'd feel differently.
Chz | 01.09.20 - 9:32 a.m. | #
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I did't think you had anything to go back to.
Surbitonian | 01.09.20 - 9:47 a.m. | #
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Same here Chz - especially as mine announced that he'd probably forget to use it anyway, when I inquired if he had a little pot of hand sanitizer to keep in his pocket!
My new graduate starts his first job today - from his sister's bedroom, as she at uni.
He's desperate to Go Back - but it involves a relocation that isn't possible at the moment.
Cornish Cockney | 01.09.20 - 9:49 a.m. | #
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Strange how smoke (which of course has no cv19 attached) wafts around, but invisible cv19 drops like a stone within 2 meters.
Anyway I'm sure we'll all be safe by wearing a spit and snot collector (aka face covering).
Tony | 01.09.20 - 10:08 a.m. | #
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I like others don’t really understand the rush to return to the office. Andrew Bowden raises a great point.
Working from home should be a choice, and there should be less guilt induced from taking sick days. Much we can take from this.
Andrew - the re-infection scare is very ropey. It seems to be a very rare occurrence if true. If it were more common a vaccine wouldn’t be worthwhile.
GreenKitten | 01.09.20 - 10:35 a.m. | #
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I've worked in offices and at home, and in my experience WaHing seems great for the six months or so, then you realise how you've fallen behind everyone in the office, their knowledge has moved on and you're left behind.
I was in a development dept. where stuff changes all the time.
Maybe if your job involves the same thing every day it's ok to WaH permanently.
Joho | Homepage | 01.09.20 - 10:40 a.m. | #
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I believe there is enough information available to enable everyone to evaluate their own risk of catching the virus themself. But a personal risk evaluation, by definition, does not take into account the risks to society.
I am working hard at avoiding it, not just for my own sake, but for the sake of all those other people who might catch it from me (or from someone who caught it from me), and all the others who would be affected if I caught it. No person is an island, entire of itself, as John Donne so wisely said.
Malcolm | 01.09.20 - 11:07 a.m. | #
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Joho - there are many factors why working from home might not work. I have done in IT where nothing stays still for more than ten minutes. I have worked from home successfully for over four years with an office based team.
The key to making it work (for me) can be summed up as communication, communication, communication.
Andrew Bowden | Homepage | 01.09.20 - 11:28 a.m. | #
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To paraphrase a quote I've remembered recently - First wave tragedy, second wave farce.
Good to see you've 'gone back' by getting out and about a bit more recently though, DG.
Sam | 01.09.20 - 11:28 a.m. | #
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Perfect summary!
Cau1khead | 01.09.20 - 11:51 a.m. | #
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1) Don’t wear a mask and spread germs - selfish.
2) Don’t got back to the office, shirk from home, and spread unemployment - not selfish.
Kim | 01.09.20 - 1:32 p.m. | #
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Go back?
I never left!
Chris | 01.09.20 - 2:28 p.m. | #
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The 'curve' was flattened a long, long time ago. We are now into school-child-swap-germs season, so, we all await the delights of dribbling noses behind our useless masks whilst we try not to hang on to the handrail on the train/bus/tram/door handle/etc.
Continues to seethe | 01.09.20 - 2:54 p.m. | #
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I would be happy never having to go back to an office again.
Breeding grounds of disease, pettiness and office politics.
But because I want regular pay, I will at some point have to accept a role that is in an office.
Feels like the wrong time for folks who can work from home, to go back in to the office.
R | 01.09.20 - 4:46 p.m. | #
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What worries me about a permanent “work from home” culture is that cities will cease to be viable, that public transport, which exists to get people to and from work in huge numbers will cease to be cost effective and that the positive things that come with people living cheek by jowl (arts, music, theatre, museums) will cease to exist. If that’s what we want, then say so. If we don’t then we will have to be prepared to take risks.
Robert Butlin | 01.09.20 - 5:21 p.m. | #
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All this destruction of freedom and of small businesses under the guise of a deadly virus which is no worse than flu. Which kills many every year. Those that cannot see this is nothing short of a global takeover need to wake up, and wake up fast
Marty | 01.09.20 - 6:16 p.m. | #
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(sigh)
diamond geezer | Homepage | 01.09.20 - 6:22 p.m. | #
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Nothing to go back to? Go Back (to a Jobcentre close to where you used to work).
Employer claiming CJRS money until the last possible day to pay redundancy notice pay?. Go back (to the office to show your gratitude).
MilesT | 01.09.20 - 8:06 p.m. | #
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Mention coronavirus and you open a can of snakes!
GreenKitten | 01.09.20 - 8:09 p.m. | #
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If we were to Go Back to the days when the main way to express your opinion on a subject was to put pen to paper, most of the previous comments would have been in letter form. I'm fairly confident that some would have been written in green ink.
Frank F | 01.09.20 - 8:36 p.m. | #
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Over the last decade, I've increasingly worked from home to the point where I've barely been into the office more than once a week, if that. Our office now has a desk ratio of 0.5 meaning they rely on half of us being elsewhere anyway.
Offices won't disappear altogether: not everyone is able to work remotely. And London has adapted many times before, to the loss of Fleet Street, the docks etc. It will again.
Ned | 01.09.20 - 11:25 p.m. | #
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If it's just a matter of 'communication, communication, communication', sounds like another IT job that would be more cost effective to base in Mumbai.
JohnC | 02.09.20 - 8:37 a.m. | #
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JohnC: Mumbai shut down sooner than we did. One consequence was that the National Rail call centres were closed at less than a day’s notice (in March).
Notts Railman | 03.09.20 - 7:11 a.m. | #
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