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I feel DG has just given me a phrase I'll be using often in future: "It's madness, but at least it's consistent madness."
Tunnel Bore | 25.02.17 - 7:29 a.m. | #
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The question now is, what other Bow-based transport landmarks have annoyed DG this week?
EonLeader | 25.02.17 - 9:10 a.m. | #
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"For a start it doesn't show when the next train is due"
Any idea why this the case, when take Aldgate East going westbound as an example, when you look a Tube app you can see when the next few trains will be arriving.
You mentioned the system is being upgraded. Any idea when this is going to be completed?
dg writes: I wrote an in-depth report on westbound Next Train Indicators, and some of the underlying issues, here.
Jetset Boyz | Homepage | 25.02.17 - 11:02 a.m. | #
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How difficult would it be to jury rig a phone (or Raspberry Pi or whatever) running the app to the Next Train Indicator? How much would *that* upgrade cost, and how long would it take?
dg writes: Alas Bow Road sits in a data black hole, so none of the apps know what the next train is either.
Andrew | 25.02.17 - 11:07 a.m. | #
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Me and good lady took a trip on District as far as it would go to Upminster and were amazed to see there were plenty of the new(ish) trains running every 10 mins each way, all the way between Upminster and Wimbledon in the middle of the day albeit practically empty at the end of the line. If the tube can run this frequently why not South Eastern & Southern. Answers on a postcard pls.
Rick | 25.02.17 - 11:22 a.m. | #
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@Rick: Southeastern and Southern have far more complex networks and (relatively) less resource than LU. Not to mention that they don't have full control of train paths because they don't own the infrastructure.
Even LO seem to have difficulties to run more than 4tph except for the routes they have exclusive rights (aka ELL)
Patrickov | 25.02.17 - 11:56 a.m. | #
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Even the phrase "check destination on front of train" is out of date. Since the withdrawal of the C Stock all the trains at Bow have side destination displays as well, which are of course much easier to check.
Gardner | 25.02.17 - 12:54 p.m. | #
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Ah the eastbound District Line. Nothing like 3 or 4 trains in a row terminating at Barking when trying to go further east or being terminated abruptly at Dagenham East because of late running westbound. It's all a bit of guesswork with the boards sometimes.
Westbound isn't much better. After a long wait for a train, we thunder along to Barking where we wait outside while a train is let out of the sidings in front of us. Don't they know we're coming? Get an indicator board ! Praise be the timetable.
running_correspondent | 25.02.17 - 3:04 p.m. | #
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Given that there are no branches east of Bow Road, and little in the way of alternative routes, they probably don't see it as a priority. "Take the first train and change where necessary" is always good advice unless there is a danger of being overtaken by a following train.
It would be nice to know how far away the next train is though - as I discovered when waiting with no information at Gloucester Road on Thursday.
(My first trip using contactless, after I lost my Oyster on New Year's Eve - yes: I went nearly two months without using any TfL services other than Boris Bikes! The joys of living in south London.
timbo | 25.02.17 - 6:26 p.m. | #
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An earlier writer also noted that madness can be consistent - "Though this be madness, yet there is method in 't."
Great Aunt Annie | 25.02.17 - 8:01 p.m. | #
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I don't really understand why they don't replace the train indicators with ones that connect to the wider Tfl information on the internet. The closer we get to replacing the signalling as a whole, the less likely it is to happen, however there are a number of stations that would benefit from this and design and build costs could be shared between them.
dg writes: Even 'the wider TfL information on the internet' doesn't work at Bow Road.
Messiah | 27.02.17 - 6:34 a.m. | #
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Could they extrapolate from 2 or something stations down the line - unlikely that a train is going to overtake another one.
Messiah | 04.03.17 - 10:39 p.m. | #
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