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A mundane topic executed brilliantly, I was with you every mile of the way. And Dave is a very famous trader in and around Epsom I believe, not least for his hugely popular "chain store seconds" outlet some years back.
Waterhouse | 22.01.14 - 7:25 a.m. | #
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How much is that crazy golf?! I'd expect a full eighteen holes for that AND a complimentary Vimto at the nineteenth!
Marc | 22.01.14 - 7:39 a.m. | #
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Excelllent stuff.
I can't help feeling we're going be denied your thoughts on the 465 though. I suspect you would have decamped from the 467 a few stops earlier if you had intended to catch the 465 especially as you had under a minute till your next bus.
Perhaps the 465 will have its own mini series one day. We can only hope.
Looking forward to tomorrow's post now. Thanks.
Lorenzo | 22.01.14 - 7:50 a.m. | #
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Firstly, you have been far too kind with respect to those traffic lights at the heart of Epsom town centre. I seethe every time I have to wait unnecessarily due to the anti humanity timing cycle found here, especially in the direction you took, trumps almost everything London has to offer.
Explicitly, there are a set of advance lights that change well before the main junction lights creating an extra wide pedestrian crossing, but far too much time is allowed.to achieve this.
And, may I post my perennial plea for Epsom to be put in Zone 6 (as Surbiton was some years ago). You highlight the large number of London bus routes, yet from a rail perspective it is beyond the outer limits albeit closer to Charing Cross. as the crow flies, than other places around London safely in Zone 6.
At certain times of day TfL journey planner shows journeys from Ewell East (Z6) and Cheam (Z5) into Clapham Junction to be quicker this way, yet Oyster and one day travelcards are not valid. Most frustrating!
Ken | 22.01.14 - 8:04 a.m. | #
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The 470 is a very odd route. I've lived in Colliers Wood for ten years and only used it twice. But it does now have a bus with TWO doors! I'm sure they're both needed...
Andrew Bowden | Homepage | 22.01.14 - 8:36 a.m. | #
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The 4xx numbers were indeed used by (green) London Country services south of the river until privatisation but have since been used by TfL all over London, often when a long route has been split - for eaxmple the very central 414, 436 and 453. Of the routes used by DG so far, only the 492 can trace its history back to LCBS days: the 464 was numnbered as an extesnion of the 64, the 412 was a renumbered 12a, and the 465 (if we get to see it) was formerly part of the 65.
But never mind all the 4xx routes - since leaving Biggin Hill every single route bar one has had a 6 in its number - and I'm not sure Lorenzo is right that we'll be missing out the 465: it calls at the stop DG describes and although a 71 is more frequent and thus more likely both will get him to the same place to connect with his second "cube" (and another "6". However, the 71 would give the interesting prospect of two stages of the route having the same number, as it has a non-tfL namesake in the Heathrow area.
Looking at the archive DG did say (in 2011) that he would like to do the 465 one day, but a detour to Dorking seems an unlikely next step in the predsent odyssey. (Presumably his 2008 visit to Boxhill was by some other mode of transport!)
Anyway, welcome DG to my neck of the woods
timbo | 22.01.14 - 10:37 a.m. | #
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......and London Country's original route 467 was renumbered in the 1970s to become the present-day 492; which DG has already covered.
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Is this only TfL routes; hoping you'd tackle the roller-coaster ride that is the 555 when you approach my manor. That's got every outer-London criterion you'd want. Loving this series.
Matt | 22.01.14 - 12:46 p.m. | #
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@Matt
DG did say, when he set out
" I won't be taking the outermost bus every time, nor will I be sticking solely to TfL services if they're not the best way to go."
So the "bunch of fives" is a definite possibility - depends really which side of Heathrow DG wants to go.
| 22.01.14 - 1:13 p.m. | #
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Welcome to Epsom. So far as I know it's the only place with district/borough status that is wholly within the M25 but not a London Borough. (By the way, you left via East Street, not East Road).
Peter CS | 22.01.14 - 1:14 p.m. | #
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Ken - I'm always amused by the irony that many people from places in Surrey, like Epsom ,would quite like to be within London, if only for the transport benefits, while at the same many people and businesses from Croydon and Sutton are claiming to br from Surrey.
Whiff | 22.01.14 - 4:27 p.m. | #
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@Peter
I had to check....
it seems you're right: although the parts of Elmbridge and Spelthorne outside the M25 are tiny (and in the latter case 95% under water)
Watford District extends a long way outside what one thinks of as the town of that name.
| 22.01.14 - 4:36 p.m. | #
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No, Watford District is entirely within the M25 - it passes to the north through Three Rivers and St Albans districts.
Stephen Bird | 22.01.14 - 5:25 p.m. | #
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My home area as well! It was only a few years ago that TfL proposed to discontinue the 467 completely but local residents fought and won and only then did it turn into a double decker as well!
Nicks | 22.01.14 - 6:26 p.m. | #
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The 467 is only a double decker because it needs it for school loads - they very often use single deckers in the holidays!
Alex | 22.01.14 - 6:37 p.m. | #
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Whiff - and people in Bexley claiming to live in Kent, on the spurious reason of having a DA postcode.
Stephen | 22.01.14 - 8:03 p.m. | #
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@Stephen Bird
So it does
http://maps.watford.gov.uk/LocalViewExt/Sites/ExploreWatford/
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Elmbridge and Epsom declined to join the GLC when formed in 1965; this is why Chessington forms a Kursk-like salient extending deep into Surrey proper.
Matt | 23.01.14 - 8:55 a.m. | #
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Spelthorne is the other anomaly, originally part of Middlesex but now in Surrey
It is midly intersting that the boundary was modified in 1994 (so I hope DG's maps are up to date!) It used to go right through the middle of Heathrow Terminal 4. The change meant that Surrey lost its last Tube station!)
There were others: Wimbledon, Richmond and Morden were in Surrey until 1965
timbo | 24.01.14 - 12:58 p.m. | #
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