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dg writes: I defined 'London bus route' as "appears on the linked-to list of London bus routes"
I remember when it ran from Hounslow to Stoke Newington.
I used it at weekends to get direct from Twickenham to the West End.
It is almost a replacement for the London Overground East London Line between Highbury to Whitechapel.
I have been reliant on quadrant maps since I was born. Now I'm going to struggle to plan my bus journeys. The journey planner will not substitute the way I plan and the way I get to know all bus routes in London.
I don't see the point of these green bus corridors. When they introduced the Putney corridor, they should swapped diesels with hybrids from another route, meaning Peckham got worse air quality. Just convert routes to green, simple.
The other thing is the sneaky frequency reductions, sometimes introduced due to roadworks - but not restored when they finish. Many night routes are now starting to get frequency reductions following the introduction of the night tube, I think the N83 was one of the few night routes to have increased ridership in the latest passenger figures.
Now, my 2016 edition of the map will be useless, as the Oxford Street changes won't be reflected in a supplementary map.
Very, very bad show by Sadiq.
To not even keep them updated online is completely scandalous. The same spurious argument from techy people that Journey Planners are the answer to everything could also apply to the Underground yet that map hadn't been discontinued.
How long before the badly outdated and misleading March 2016 bus maps are removed from the website?
But if (for austerity reasons) transport authorities have to cease giving users a choice between maps and interactive route-planning apps, then retaining just the apps (dodgy though they occasionally are) would probably give better value to the full user base than retaining just the maps.
Though one does wonder about the duplication (for London) of TfL apps and traveline south-east.
People who don't know the area might be unaware that the road can be like Oxford Street with back to back queueing buses. It's not helped by a decision a few years ago to remove the off peak only restriction on a bus stop in the middle of the High Street, so that the 74 could be cut short at Putney Garage.
One side note. The District line tube replacement buses that go down the High Street are now also low emission vehicles but the rule hasn't been extended to things like school buses or coaches.
I also wonder what the penalty is if a Tfl contractor like London United has to substitute an old bus for a hybrid because so many have broken down. Is it cheaper to reduce the service or run a polluter?..
@ Peewit - Uno only operate one *contracted* service for TfL, the 383. They run a few of their own services, including the 610/11 into Enfield as well as those you listed, under London Service Permit arrangements.
One might hope that Sadiq Khan and Val Shawcross don't want to be put into the history books as the two people who killed the London Bus Map. They wouldn't dare kill the Tube Map - imagine the outcry! Yet the paper bus maps fulfill a far more important role given they show all public transport modes, parks, hospitals etc in one place. It is a disgraceful decision and will certainly be on my "reasons not to vote for them again" list. That might seem petty on my part but this is destroying an essential aspect of information for Londoners and visitors.
From 15th July the C2 is cut back from Victoria to Regent St/ Conduit St, displacing the 3 to Piccadilly Circus, that displaces the 22/N22 to Oxford Circus and that displaces the 137 to Marble Arch.
Elsewhere I've seen the 22 change listed as happening in October when a new contract starts.
dg writes: Post updated, thanks.
Furthermore the 3 will be curtailed to Piccadilly Circus in the short term - presumably using the 22's spare stand. No date is given for the extension to Russell Square. A guess would be that the planned gyratory removal works at TCR have forced a postponement - why send a revised bus route directly into an area likely to have horrendous traffic problems for 12-18 months?
Perhaps there's a more up-to-date version that isn't online?
- I have noticed many bus stops no longer have updated timetables
- Bus maps in stations no longer updated
and
- Who is Khan listening to? Too many people telling TfL "smart" is the way forward, ditto digital . . . everyone has a mobile?
- well, Tfl have a duty of care to the elderly and the disabled - many of them don't or can't use the journey planner
- this country has appalling levels of internet provision
- I have found that in many parts of London there is a poor internet signal
- I always store the bus maps on my phone - its been (to now) a very handy way of seeing at a glance bus routes - now you can't do this - or even rely on bus timetables at bus stops "as everyone uses their phone".
- I find the journey planner converluted and frustrating to use out-and about - sometimes doesn't work
- Finally I, like many people, don't have a huge data plan to use my smartphone. Data is precious and costs money - unlike TfL who have what, around 400 people on six figure salaries? - those kind of people live in the "smart" world, where money is no object. This is a backward step. I have worked in publishing making PDFs and maybe two people on say £25,000 a year could be found easily to work full time on updating bus maps? Surely other things can be cut so as to keep essential things like bus maps updated?
Still, I very much agree that printed/PDF maps are an absolute must for any civilised transport authority.
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