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A nice summary. As a Kentish Towner it's a bus I use a lot. I count my blessings it isn't hugely popular off-peak. That makes for a fast and spacious journey into the centre of town.
PrinceofWalesDaniel | 14.11.14 - 9:32 a.m. | #
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The announcement in the opposite direction says:
Parliament. (short pause, new sentence) Hill Fields.
greg | 14.11.14 - 9:38 a.m. | #
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I used to take this into school every day. Always made for a nicer ride than the 88, which used all the main streets. C2 to Parliament...
...Hill Fields.
theorangeone | 14.11.14 - 9:54 a.m. | #
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That's broughnt bethe avaerege age and the average speed down a bit.
Average speed on this one a lowly 8mph. To date (after 3 routes) 23 miles, 1h50, 12.6 mph
Also the newest bus so far - a "12" reg, makes the avarage age of the buses 4 years old
I can remember when this was part of route 53, and the C2 was one of the four Croydon - Addington Express routes.
timbo | 14.11.14 - 12:23 p.m. | #
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"I'm running early".
At least he informed you (even if it was a lie) rather than just sitting there... most don't. Another one I've heard is "this is the last stop" when clearly it isn't!
langdon | 14.11.14 - 1:19 p.m. | #
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So why is it an alphabetic bus? It doesn't fit into the "hub and spoke" theory. Its mainly seems to be a bus route that reaches some paerts other routes don't reach by being a bit more indirect?
Ian Brooker | 14.11.14 - 1:20 p.m. | #
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The part in Mayfair is obviously not for those coming from Kentish Town, but those who want to get through to Green Park directly without walking.
Greg | 14.11.14 - 1:32 p.m. | #
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The central area "C" routes, C1, C2, C3, C10 all started out as "midibus" routes, but have all grown to full size buses over the years. In the case of the C2 and C3, loadings are such that double deckers are now needed, which proved to be unfortunate when this happened
http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/london/hi/people_and_places/newsid_8416000/8416246.stm .
timbo | 14.11.14 - 2:05 p.m. | #
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Looking at the info on the link to the FOI site the 14,19,22&74 bus routes all look like having the "joy" of NB4L operation will be a long time in the waiting...if ever. Gosh the "well to do" of Putney, Fulham & Kensington & Chelsea must be tad disappointed. As per the C2 what it shows is how "the New Bus for London" is not even able to be used on some key routes that go into and thru Central London. The major factor being length. Plus the "benefit" of the "hop on hop off" being lost as a result.
OnTheBus | 14.11.14 - 5:16 p.m. | #
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@ On the Bus - there is apparently a very tight turn at Battersea which prevents the 19's conversion. The common factor with the other routes is Putney Garage which is accessed via a pretty narrow residential street. The garage may also be somewhat confined inside but that's speculation on my part. Given the air quality issues in Putney I expect TfL are not thrilled that the NB4L can't run on the major radial routes from the area to Zone 1. I'm waiting for Dick Tracey (AM for the area) to get all cross about it and start asking pompous questions. He's on record as wanting the NB4L on local routes in Putney.
PC | 14.11.14 - 8:58 p.m. | #
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Some bus route history - the 3/53 both used to run to Camden Town (and beyond) from the south. To enable smaller bus companies to tender for routes, some were split, often based on convenient turning points and not passenger need. The 38 was one, the C2 another route, the latter gaining a lettered identity because LRT said it had no spare conventional route numbers...
The C2 to Victoria did replace route 8 but that in turn replaced route 25 - imagine that, a through route from Victoria to Ilford - pack your flask and sandwiches. The trip from Procter Street (Holborn) to Ilford last Wed evening took 1h55... But a sight more comfortable than the tubes and trains.
Joel | 15.11.14 - 4:22 p.m. | #
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I always thought the C in C11 stood for Camden rather than Cricklewood. It was originally marketed as a cross-Camden route (Camden the borough, rather than Camden Town of course).
Leo | 16.11.14 - 1:29 a.m. | #
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@Joel
Splitting routes was more about reliability than tendering. Twice as many termini means twice as many turn rounds where you can build in recovery time.
timbo | 23.11.14 - 8:32 p.m. | #
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@Joel
"the C2 gaining a lettered identity because LRT said it had no spare conventional route numbers..." Really? No suitable number for a route split of from the 3/53? In 1987?
The old 23 (Becontree-Marylebone) was renumbered as part of route 15 in 1984. The number remained un-used until 1994.
Other possibilities include 218 (un-used by TfL since 1986)
These might have looked odd on a midibus, but the 28 and 31 would be using them from 1989
timbo | 23.11.14 - 8:45 p.m. | #
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