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Can't help thinking though, that if the new ELL is a success, then this implies that you should be able to link any series of places in London by any arbitrary route, and it would likewise be a success.
Max Roberts | Homepage | 20.04.10 - 8:15 a.m. | #
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I live on the old East London line, and much as I welcome the rejuvenation of the line, I am less impressed by the timetable. Leaving aside the problems of such a long closure, at a time when the Jubilee has been largely closed at weekends, the late evening service will be much reduced. While the core frequency will fall from 10 to 6 trains per hour, annoying enough, this means each branch will be half hourly. That's hardly the turn up and go service all day that we were promised, and used to have. And the line provided a useful way home from a night in the east end; when it reopens the last train will run an hour earlier than it did before, according to the timetable now up on the National Rail website, and if true represents a very significant deterioration in the service compared to the previous service. Surely all this brand new kit, with a wholly new concrete trackbed, doesn't need the same level of overnight maintenance as the rest of the tube, which is always the stated reason that the tube can't run a later service?
SELondoner | 20.04.10 - 8:37 a.m. | #
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Playing with the NR timetable, it looks as though it is a really irritating service if you want to travel in South London. For example, 6 trains per hour New Cross Gate to Crystal Palace, but at 07/22/27/37/52/57 minutes past each hour. Guess right, and you have a five minute wait, guess wrong and it's 15 minutes. New Cross Gate to Norwood Junction is similar 02/11/17/32/41/47 minutes past each hour.
Why not just have 6tph Crystal Palace to ELL and 6tph West Croydon to London Bridge with a five minute change/wait for Crystal Palace to Central London and West Croydon/Norwood Junction/Penge and Anerley to ELL?
Looks as though the Sydenham line will have a cull of trains into Central London to make way for London Overground, from 6tph to 4tph. Will there really be twice as many people wanting to get to ELL as Central London?
Max Roberts | Homepage | 20.04.10 - 11:26 a.m. | #
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I *think* the CCTV problem is to do with external train cameras, i.e. that allow the driver to observe the platform and doors; as opposed to any internal security feature. Funny how these trains have worked effectively on the East/North London Lines without cause for concern. The whole LO programme has been cursed by delays: The late opening of Shepherds Bush and Imperial Wharf stationa, the late delivery and entry into service of the Class 378 and GobLin Class 172 units, the inability of the 378s to work on the Watford Line; and now the constant slipping of the ELLX "preview" service commencenent.
Kim | 20.04.10 - 11:57 a.m. | #
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Just a few points.
1. TFL weren't sneaky about the boundary change at SHS. The DFT were asked for money to help fund Surrey Canal Road, and one of the conditions of the cash was Shoreditch High Street moving into Zone 1. Fair enough really.
The fact that Surrey Canal Road now might not go ahead is very sneaky.
2. The Central Line interchange at SHS *will* be built, but Crossrail is needed first to relieve the Central line before they can begin construction on the station.
3. Dalston will be a junction again if Crossrail 2 (or Chelney) gets the go-ahead in our lifetimes.
http://www.transportbriefing.co.uk/cranberry/getdata_main.php?id=97
The Eastern curve will be used for trains heading to Hackney central.
All pie in the sky, but worth remembering for future generations!
Ed | Homepage | 20.04.10 - 1:07 p.m. | #
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As a Crystal Palace resident, I'm planning to make good use of it later in the summer for getting home after completing the East London sections of the Capital Ring :)
Also, I do like Max Roberts' suggestion of having the ELL go exclusively to Crystal Palace with interchange at Sydenham for the London Bridge <--> West Croydon line. You can get from CP to Croydon easily at any time, but currently there are no CP trains to Sydenham/London Bridge on Sundays which is a pain.
Pgd | Homepage | 20.04.10 - 1:20 p.m. | #
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Love the photos. Now... about that art installation in old tube carriages? More information ??!?
geofftech | Homepage | 20.04.10 - 2:44 p.m. | #
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Ed says: Dalston will be a junction again if Crossrail 2 (or Chelney) gets the go-ahead in our lifetimes.
Er No. Crossail 2 will run deep underground, ELLX runs on the surface/in shallow cutting at this point. An interchange yes, a junction no.
People often get mislead because the eastern curve is safeguarded for Crossrail 2 but that is only for construction plant access whilst building.
Pedantic of Purley | 20.04.10 - 5:32 p.m. | #
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Technically, a station is named "Junction" if you change there to get to the place named. Hence, change at 'Stourbridge Junction' in order to get to Stourbridge, and 'Yeovil Junction' to get to 'Yeovil' (except you can't anymore). Unfortunately, several famous 'Junction' stations are misnamed, although if ELLX phase 2 is implemented, Clapham Junction will become correct, because you can change there to get to Clapham.
Max Roberts | Homepage | 20.04.10 - 6:32 p.m. | #
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@geofftech - the artist studios in the old Tube trains are called Village Underground. It is open most Open House weekends. I think they run a club underneath as well.
Dan | 20.04.10 - 7:01 p.m. | #
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Oh - DG has linked to one of my Flickr photos. Fame at last ;-) I wondered why it had the most views of any shot today.
PC | 20.04.10 - 7:13 p.m. | #
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You crazy folk with your mad city lives!
We get just two buses a day heading towards Chepstow - not ideal given complications arising from my wife's recent pelvic fracture - but we're still jolly thankful for them.
Yours sincerely,
Charles Regis
Trelleck Grange
Dr Charles Regis | 20.04.10 - 10:02 p.m. | #
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Well originally "junction" may well have meant the station at which you change to get there. Chard, Seaton and Sidmouth Junctions are good examples from the past. Caterham Junction was a former name of Purley Station. However I can't see how Beckenham Junction, Norwood Junction, Verney Junction or Georgemas Junction (to name but a few) fit into this category. And just in case you are interested (which you probably aren't) the reason it is not simply "Dalston" is because there is already a station of that name in Cumbria - not that an existing station with the same name has stopped this happening in the distant past.
Pedantic of Purley | 20.04.10 - 11:40 p.m. | #
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What's the betting they'll open it next week - ie just after the London Marathon?
Veronica | 21.04.10 - 12:38 a.m. | #
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Glad you cheered up on this one dg, the first half was very downbeat. The ELL can't open a second too soon for us down here in Rotherhithe, at last a way out when the Jubilee is closed (and probably goes to more eclectic places too).
MickeyMouser | 24.04.10 - 12:04 a.m. | #
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