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You may be assuming that commercial entities are off the map unless they pay, but if you look just fractionally to the right of the dangleway you'll observer "Custom House for ExCeL" -- ExCeL of course being a commercial entitity.
Mike Scott | 11.06.12 - 6:57 a.m. | #
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The nuance is, perhaps, that "O2" is an Olympic Venue with a sponsor's name which must be erased during the games.
The Dangleway is not an Olympic venue and so is not affected.
As for "ExCel" presumably thats the name of the venue, not something a corporate sponsor has bought. Similarly, "Heathrow Airport" is the name of a company and there must be others.
Ian Brooker | 11.06.12 - 7:09 a.m. | #
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Ironically enough, there was a banner ad displayed for Malaysian Airlines when I viewed the maps page on tfl.gov.uk. Nobody tell Emirates...
Mark | 11.06.12 - 7:11 a.m. | #
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Perhaps the Dangleway had two white lines on a red background?
Andrew | 11.06.12 - 8:35 a.m. | #
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The tube map would best be described as topological rather than topographic.
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In more exciting transport opening news, utterly incompetent French transport favourites Thales have finally sorted out the software that stops large yellow vehicles crashing into each other, and the Metrolink to Oldham opens on Wednesday.
No news as of yet as to whether they've sorted out the real time information as well, or if people will continue to stand at tram stops unaware of what the hell is going on.
Kirk | 11.06.12 - 10:40 a.m. | #
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Well - my reading of the latest release of the London Service Permits for buses suggests it's currently planned for the 2nd July
David | 11.06.12 - 12:07 p.m. | #
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The Jubilee Line is not the only line getting the new maps, I've now seen things on the Central, Met and Bakerloo.
Colin | 11.06.12 - 12:27 p.m. | #
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Disappointed that you didn't mention one particular dagger-related change new to this map - they've finally published the exact hours in which Piccadilly line trains stop at Turnham Green, after decades of vaguely mentioning "early mornings and late evenings"!
swirlythingy | Homepage | 11.06.12 - 12:31 p.m. | #
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Talking of step free stations I was at Kensal Green station on Saturday and was surprised that there is quite a pronounced step down from the platform into the tube.
Also on the same day I was on the Jubilee line and was pleased to see that the train was one of the special jubilee liveried trains you mentioned the other week.
Finally if you are going to have a sweapstake on when the dangleway will open I select the 29th of June, for no other reason than it is my birthday.
Barry | 11.06.12 - 2:54 p.m. | #
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Swirlythingy
Kensal Green has the so-called "intermediate" height platforms, as do all stations from there to Harrow & Wealdstone, because they are also used by the Overground. This is necessary because tube size cars have much lower floors than Overground trains, so the platforms are set at a compromise height equally (in)convenient for both.
You can see the same phenomenon on those Picadilly Line stations shared with the District or Met, again because surface stock has a much higher floor than tube stock.
Timbo | 11.06.12 - 4:50 p.m. | #
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OOps, it was Barry, not Swirlythingy, who was at Kensal Green!
Timbo | 11.06.12 - 4:52 p.m. | #
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On the Oyster Rail Services map, the Arab Danglefly appears in its own "Arab Danglefly fare zone".
Darryl | Homepage | 11.06.12 - 4:52 p.m. | #
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It is of course as absurd to include a tourist gimmick like the dangleway on a transport map. The London Eye is not included, nor is the little train that takes you past some of the "attractions" in the London Dungeons.
The reason it probably gets there is because of the possibly illegal and ultra vires way that some of the money meant for transport was diverted from transport into subsidising a tourist trap.
Malcolm | 11.06.12 - 10:35 p.m. | #
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When did North Greenwhich move entirely into Zone 3?
Zappomatic | 11.06.12 - 10:55 p.m. | #
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Zappomatic:
It isn't - it has a box round it, like East India across the river, to signify it's a boundary station, in both zones. It's slightly unclear because the left edge of the box is the river.
timbo | 12.06.12 - 7:58 a.m. | #
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@Malcolm
well, like it or loathe it, the AFDW is a means to convey from one place to another, so it is "transport", and it will be open to the public on payment of a 'fare'. As it is "public transport", it should be included on a public transport map ! Arguably it is not the tube (nither is Overground) so it should not be on the 'Tube map', but that is for semantics-enthusiasts to argue !
Paul | 12.06.12 - 8:44 a.m. | #
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I see that TfL have said, on their Olympics ticketing page, that Olympics Travelcard holders will have to pay a supplement to use the Dangleway. This fits in with there being a separate fare zone.
It also says the Dangleway is "launching soon" which rather suggests it will be offering "dangle travel" prior to the Games opening.
PC | 12.06.12 - 10:36 a.m. | #
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For the Olympics there's the Olympic Travelcard Map
http://www.london2012.com/mm/Document/spectators/Travel/01/25/17/96/GamesTravelcardmap_Neutral.pdf
featuring lots of magenta boxes labeling games destinations.
No sign of the dangleway on there, but then again, that's not all that surprising if you have to pay extra to use it.
Alice | 14.06.12 - 1:21 a.m. | #
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Dear Geezer, re the three lines on the map. In fact there are three cables, there is one in the middle between the Car carrying cables. Perhaps thats why there are three marked on the Tube maps.
all the best from under the North Intermediate tower.
HP
Huw Price | 14.06.12 - 12:10 p.m. | #
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BBC say it will open on June 28th
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-18479479
That's next Thursday! Admire the post-industrial landscape as you dangle your way "over-to-you" from the "extra-large" venue, for only a little more than twice the tube fare.
(Oyster price AFDW, £3.20, although there is a ten-for-the-price-of-five offer:
Z3 only tube fare £1.40 off peak, £1.50 peak
strangely there is no premium on the cash fare, which is £4.30 on both Tube and AFDW)
I note the Olympic Torch route is planned to cross the river at Woolwich (ferry or tunnel? It's not clear) a few weeks later. Surely they will want it to use Boris's new toy now?
timbo | 18.06.12 - 10:50 a.m. | #
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I'd be surprised if the torch crossed the river by tunnel in Woolwich - it's not a spacious environment and there still aren't any working lifts. The ferry will offer plenty of space for the full entourage (sp?).
Chris M | 21.06.12 - 4:44 p.m. | #
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