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dg writes: This is where the dilemmas start. How close is 'very close'?
But in this case the distance is less than 100m, so I've removed it from the list, thanks.
dg writes: The N550 has been on 'long term diversion' away from the Embankment since January, due to Tideway works at Blackfriars, possibly until 2021.
dg writes: You're right, Fairlop station's been served by the 462 since June 2016, so I've removed it from the list, thanks.
One could argue that trams are more like buses than the tube, so I wonder if they count?
dg writes: Excellent, thanks, (and only four days old), so I'll remove that one.
dg writes: It's just over 200m direct, and longer on foot, which I'm going to say doesn't count.
After 1969 it became a weekend only service and this ended some time in the 1980's as the 27 route became more and more truncated.
On summer Sundays the bus went beyond Teddington station to Hampton Court, via Chestnut Avenue in Bushy Park. I doubt if any London Transport buses run through a Royal Park today.
dg writes: There isn't a bus stop called South Acton station, and the 440 stops over 200m away.
And, errr.... just lastt week we had a conversation about the bus that stops by Roding Valley! Didn't we?!?
dg writes: There isn't a bus stop called Roding Valley station, and the 549 stops about 200m away.
Nearly moved out into Surrey (county, not just postal) last year, so glad we didn't. Bus stops a hike away now have even fewer services.
Bus service cuts are causing massive problems around the country.
London Fields might just qualify under the 100m rule.
dg writes: Homerton, South Acton and London Fields are all just over 100 metres from their nearest bus route, and further from an actual stop.
The hail & ride section on the W9 goes near Winchmore Hill.
Which is no different from South Ruislip station being about the same distance from the stop it's named for, in my eyes.
dg writes: There does seem to be an element of inconsistency as to whether the nearest bus stop to a station is named after the station or not. Most of the time it is.
I did wonder why they hadn't laid on a special service of some kind (aside from the fact that the walk isn't very long), but with some consideration I realised that they had good reasons. Firstly, there's nothing around there but narrow suburban streets, often with parking on both sides of the road, and indeed Dundonald Road itself has a pair of bollards restricting the maximum vehicle width just beside the tram stop. Secondly, owing to the total lack of anywhere nearby that could turn a bus around, and to the inconveniences of the local railway geography, any route that wasn't much longer than necessary would have to be a circular service that also stopped at Merton Park tram stop before being able to return to Wimbledon!
And, worse still, when there is a rail replacement bus it uses a bus stop along the Brighton Road - but not the one marked Purley Oaks Station!
We seem to have quite a few "station" bus stops locally not that near to the station and the station can't be seen from it. Coulsdon Town and Woodmansterne are a case in point.
Surely the worst case is Riddlesdown. The bus stop is called "Riddlesdown School / Riddlesdown Stn" and it is not particularly near either. If you take the direct route via the narrow overgrown footpath it is well over 300m to the down platform and well over 550m to the up platform. There is no station footbridge. If you go by road then it is more than 600m to either platform. To make matters worse the footpath and road are quite steep and the upward paths to the platforms aren't exactly level either.
dg writes: And 07:00 :)
South Croydon Station is a good way from a bus stop as well, though there are routes less than a 100 metres as the crow flies the bus stop is rather further.
dg writes: 150 yards, not 150 feet.
Out of all of the bus stops with the same name as a nearby station, which is the furthest away?
dg writes: Good question.
North Sheen's level crossing is notorious for traffic queues, but although no buses use the crossing, the 371, 493 and R68 all terminate at Sainsburys, less than 100m away.
Norbiton used to be another example with no service passing the door, although two of the single-deck K- routes now go that way. (Rail replacement double deckers occasionally attempt to go the direct route, with predictable results)
Further east, the 47 stops about 100 yards from Deptford station, on Church Street, and the 386 goes up Vanbrugh Hill, passing quite close to the rear entrance of Maze Hill station
dg writes: Duly noted and updated, thanks.
dg writes: Even though it's 400m away, there is a bus stop called "Poplar Recreation Ground/Poplar Station".
As for the issue of Heron Quays and West India Quay not having bus stops nearby, in reality people would use Canary Wharf as a "hub" for all three stations.
Whilst Angel Road is nominally on a Hail and Ride section of the 192, I've never known buses to do anything over than stop at the corner of Montagu Road and then run non-stop to Glover Drive (for Tesco and Ikea).
Not only is it quite a walk to the station from there, if you don't have knowledge of the local area, it would be extremely difficult to find the station from theree
Depends what you mean by furthest away - obviously Hampstead (46 + 268) is the deepest from street level, and a fair walk from the nearest bus stop, also Highgate, there is a flight of stairs from the street to the entrance, or a walk via a slope, then more steps down to the ticket hall, then escalators to the platforms.
Some parts of Bank would be a fair hike from a bus stop.
For the duration of the Dundonald-Wimbledon closure, there was a free taxi available for those who were unable to walk.
dg writes: Aha yes, 300m away from the station, but yes, Brooksbys Walk/Homerton Station (on both the 425 and 488). Thanks!
BUT, there are bus stops within 200m of it (named Bellingham Road). There is also a Hail & Ride service also 200m away (namely 336).
Technically, sometimes it IS served by a bus (336) when it is on diversion and passes the station. Additionally, you can get out of the bus outside the station as it is Hail & Ride.
On some spider maps, sometimes Bellingham Road is sometimes 'for Bellingham station' (namely this http://content.tfl.gov.uk/bus-route-maps/beckenham-hill-a4-0815.pdf).
dg writes: I nearly took Bellingham off the list, but the nearest (unnamed) bus stops are just over 100m away.
There used to be a bus stop J outside the bus garage and station for the terminating buses, but it was removed when the Travelodge was built.
According to a TfL official I asked about this, he said J had been on TfL property and he didn't want responsibility for the safety of alighting passengers. Great!
dg writes: Indeed, but not named after the station, and over 100m away.
dg writes: Ah yes, the other station... nearest bus stop 400m distant. It's going in the list, thanks.
Looks it from the OSM: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/51.49031/-0.21296
dg writes: "This stop does not serve any TfL routes."
However, apparent inconsistencies and absurdities abound on bus stop names. They could all do with a bit of a shake-up - but what would the benefit-cost ratio be of such an exercise? There's also a large element of "that bus stop is called Albert Road because it has had that name since time out of mind", and changing it would be just not worth anyone's effort.
A station being remote from a bus stop might appear to be a disadvantage, and it obviously is if you wish to change modes. But in terms of ensuring the best spread of public transport provision, it could be argued that the best place to put bus routes is covering everywhere the trains do not go.
dg writes: Ah yes, one of the 'Mortlake Station' stops is only served by the rare 969, but the other has a regular daily service.
The stop marked on Google Maps on the corner of First Avenue and labelled as Bush Hill Park does not exist when you check on Street view.
dg writes: Bush Hill Park Station appears to have a bus stop, served by route 192 (during a Hail & Ride section).
It should be served by 135, 277, D7 and D8 but they are diverted for about a year due to construction work.
(*Actually I make the distance from the Greenwich terminal to the busway on West Parkside to be about 90 m at its minimum, but of course there's not a stop at that spot.)
TfL might do well to adopt the stop naming system of Network West Midlands, where every stop has a two-part name: the first is always the name of the street the stop is actually on, and the second is either the nearest cross street or some other adjacent landmark or facility (such as a station). Makes giving every stop a unique and unambiguous name a lot easier, although it does sometimes mean that clusters of lettered stops don't all have the same name.
Everyone knew it as Sainsbury's, but it got called St. George's Rd., after a nondescript easterly stub 80m to the south. I was told that bus stops are not named after commercial enterprises, despite there then being the most obvious exception. Harrods...
They wouldn't even call it Wimbledon Hill Road, although that abuts just 60m away to the north nor would they call it Wimbledon Library, which stands on the corner opposite there. The reasons given were excruciating.
Now, there are three pages of stops with Sainsbury's in the name. They must have had a particularly stubben and misguided manager then, or they brought in the wrong set of Consultants. Time for a complete overhaul me thinks, us Joe public will do a better more consistent job for nothing.
That place was built in the 1980s. No idea when the bus stop was named that way, though Sainsburys have long ditched the Savacentre branding and the bus stop is now called Merton Abbey.
" I was told that bus stops are not named after commercial enterprises"
The most obvious exception being pubs. Although there was a campaign by the temperance movement in the early days of London General to stop even that.
The schools service 691 carries the destination blind "Tiffin School", which is somewhat inaccurate as it does not pass the school of that name. Its terminus is Tiffin Girls' School, a separate establishment nearly a mile away.
Rick.
dg writes: Here's Ravensbourne Station bus stop, on route 354.
And very confusing they can be when stops on opposite sides of te road have different names. TfL's journey planner can send you on very odd routes simply because you specified a stop on the wrong side of the road.
It's the R70 that terminates at Sainsbury's Manor Park near North Sheen.
The R68 goes to Kew Retail Park and the National Archives
The planned diversion via Blackwall Way also happened serving new stops not that you could get an real time info for those stops last weekend!! The change of ownership of the Leamouth office complex is the first thing that makes any sense as to why buses have been kicked out of the area whose roads are private land not the public highway. It would also explain the abrupt nature of these changes without any public consultation. In other words, TfL had no choice having been "evicted" from the roads.
Interesting to hear the history. Match days are a big issue so perhaps it's not worth all the extra confusion a pretty regular match day diversion would create.
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