please empty your brain below
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Thanks for writing about the loss of this service. My son used this service when he worked in Potters Bar & was comparatively quick & inexpensive. The 384 doesn't go round the house any more between Barnet and Cockfosters & usage has plummeted. Quicker but under used.
Mr Reasonable | Homepage | 02.04.22 - 7:49 a.m. | #
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According to Journey Planner...
| | 1st bus | 2nd bus | | 399 + 298 | 14 min | 11 min | | 307 + 298 | 13 min | 17 min | | 384 + 298 | 20 min | 14 min |
(each with an average 10 min wait inbetween)
...so the 384 is still the slowest option.
diamond geezer | Homepage | 02.04.22 - 7:55 a.m. | #
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I'm not sure the train comparison entirely valid, given that it stops at New Barnet which is a significant distance from High Barnet.
Frank F | 02.04.22 - 7:59 a.m. | #
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I've used 'Barnet' in an amorphous way, there being many Barnets.
A bus to New Barnet station from Barnet Church in Chipping Barnet takes 6 minutes (and knocks the cost up to £5.85).
diamond geezer | Homepage | 02.04.22 - 8:03 a.m. | #
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The use of New Barnet for the train comparison is perfectly valid, given the 84 also started there until yesterday.
Barry S | 02.04.22 - 8:14 a.m. | #
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I bet Callum is out talking to people waiting for the 84 at the Barnet end who are unaware its been withdrawn.
Also inconvenient for staff in Hertfordshire who work at Barnet Hospital.
One point about 'empty buses to/from Potters Bar' is they've also adopted the practice of using crew ferry vans or cars rather then driving the bus back to the garage to change drivers, so only early a.m./late p.m. and some random daytime duties would be available.
Oddly enough by far the best 'empty bus' frequency (at least one random bus per hour for most of the day) is provided by the 384 between Cockfosters and Potters Bar which follows the 298 anyway.
Still Anon | 02.04.22 - 8:55 a.m. | #
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There has been a bus service between Potters Bar and Barnet (although not New Barnet) as long as London Transport existed, provided until 1983 by the 134, and between 1983 and 1986 by the 263.
The 84, which had previously run direct by the A6, was diverted via Potters Bar in 1986.
Its southern termini were, at different times, Golders Green and Walthamstow.
Timbo | 02.04.22 - 8:55 a.m. | #
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New Barnet, New Britain
Rich G | Homepage | 02.04.22 - 9:44 a.m. | #
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"I made sure to say thanks to the driver before alighting because the 399 is that kind of bus."
Every bus is that kind of bus!
Basil Jet | 02.04.22 - 9:46 a.m. | #
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The major decision was back in 2012 when TfL withdrew partial funding for the 84, and it no longer stayed a TfL route, leaving it vulnerable to commercial cutbacks.
Indeed it's in some ways a victim of history, as if the route had survived as say North Finchley to Potters Bar, with the non London section being a small part of the route (like the 298 from Arnos Grove to PB) it might have stayed a TfL route. Instead as the majority of the route going out to St Albans is way outside London, it lost TfL funding.
Mikey C | 02.04.22 - 10:14 a.m. | #
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Basil Jet, I think dg may have meant that the exit is at the front, rather than the more general centre exit in London. Or maybe he meant that the passengers are more "please" and "thank you" people than on most routes.
Ian | 02.04.22 - 12:21 p.m. | #
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Bring back Middlesex county and council, that would solve all these problems and more.
Mr Jif | 02.04.22 - 12:25 p.m. | #
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Barnet wasn’t in Middlesex, it was in Hertfordshire. If you’re going to be a throwback county pedant, be an informed one.
Russell | 02.04.22 - 2:34 p.m. | #
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The 298 is part of what used to be in the 1960s/70s, the 29. The 29 continued to South Mimms Blanche Lane or Clare Hall Hospital, with journeys even to Borehamwood. A lengthy journey from Victoria.
winsleigh | 02.04.22 - 5:25 p.m. | #
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If you are going to be a pedant you need to be right and provide all the relevant information. Potters Bar was in Middlesex.
Bryn Davies | 02.04.22 - 7:32 p.m. | #
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How does this affect the acceptability of senior (county) bus pass/freedom pass, before & after?
Is the journey still possible, but takes longer (pass not accepted on train alternative)? I'm not 100% clear on rules covering use of "out of area" passes (not quite old enough to have one, of either sort, yet).
MilesT | 03.04.22 - 1:56 a.m. | #
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winsleigh - very few (if any) route 29 journeys would have done the full Victoria to South Mimms/Clare Hall/Borehamwood schlep. The creation of the 298 as a Finsbury Park-Potters Bar plus route in 1968 effectively recognised that the 29 had effectively been operated as overlapping sections.
Julian | 05.04.22 - 9:15 a.m. | #
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