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What's the problem? Does it take too long to bring in cash? Government could borrow against it pretty cheaply.
Combined with a levy on new development like the Crossrail one, this could make a significant contribution towards costs.
Bakerloo should be done before Crossrail 2 - doing otherwise is simply prioritising well-heeled SW Londoners above their poorer neighbours. But as you say, it seems new infrastructure development will only follow demand now, rather than bring new parts of London into play.
Actually the cost of tube tunnels are relatively cheap compared to the stations themselves which cannot be efficiently dug with a tunnel boring machine. If planning a tube route don't worry too much about the cost of the running tunnels - just get the stations right. The trick is to select as few as possible that benefit as many as possible. This usually means that it is only viable if next to a large traffic generator - such as an existing station. A good example is the Victoria line. 16 stations and only one not next to an existing station - though to be fair at the time of construction Blackhorse Road station would not have generated much traffic.
Alternatively plan some very expensive redevelopment that may kickstart the economy and the chancellor will lend/stump up the cash for you. (Does not apply to existing run down areas where all a new station will do is improve the quality of life of poor people.)
Thank you for pulicising the blatant and obvious lack of a servicable railway station in the environs of Walworth or Camberwell. Whilst I agree that Loughborough Junction station is nearby, for those of us living closer to the transport desert that is Burgess Park, North Peckham estate and Aylesbury estate, re-opening the still very salvagable island stations at Camberwell and Walworth would make wonderful sense and directly link this area to the wider rail network, such as Crossrail, whilst relieving much congestion off the packed Walworth Road bus routes. Spurious arguments about reisdents of Sutton not tolerating an additional 2 minutes journey time saddens me. Do Thameslink et al really peddle that argument?
Similarly the tube would be a wonderful addition, but I can't help thinking the capital required to reopen the stations at Camberwell and Walworth is about an order of magnitude cheaper than building new tunnels and stations in the deep-line tube network. In our austerity constrained world this seems more viable. What is of course notable is that the leader of Southwark Council is now publicly talking about the tube extension - very aspiriational (a bit like enforcing the council's policy on the Heygate redevelopment) but he himself reckons an extension to Cambers and Peckham would be a cool £2bn....
Keep up the good work
Tom
And yet 'Loughborough Junction is less than a mile down the road'
Do all Londoners want their own personal stations?
I think Thameslink's objection to re-opening the stations is not so much that Sutton and Wimbledon commuters would be delayed (no-one on those trains can be in much of a hurry: the line is already slower than the alternatives from London Bridge or Waterloo*). No, the problem is that the trains are already full, and no more can be squeezed through the junctions at Herne Hill and Denmark Hill.
* I did an experiment today and found that by walking from Blackfriars to Waterloo a connection can be made between trains that miss each other by five minutes at Wimbledon - so you could leave a train at Blackfriars, walk the half mile to Waterloo, catch a train to Wimbledon, and be in time to catch the same train you left at Blackfriars.
(This is a train going the direct way to Wimbldon, via Tooting, not Sutton)
or are they saying any train stopping at camberwell and walworth must be a thameslink train?
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