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What about one showing viaducts for those without a head for heights
Mike | 05.07.17 - 3:15 p.m. | #
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As far as the deep-level tube lines go, this map also correlates with the stretches where taking unfolded bicycles is not allowed.
straphan | 05.07.17 - 3:31 p.m. | #
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Mildly ironic that an organisation running services called the Underground and Overground need a special map to show what track is really under or over ground level.
Anon | 05.07.17 - 3:34 p.m. | #
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What about the underpass (eastbound only) between Gunnersbury and Turnham Green. That's probably as long as some of the tunnels shown here.
dg writes: Approximately 40m long... but not shown on OpenStreetMap as a tunnel.
timbo | 05.07.17 - 3:40 p.m. | #
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I like how the key to symbols says the map depicts "Sections of track and stations under tunnels". Isn't it rather "in tunnels" or "underground"?
dg writes: Well spotted! I wonder who proofreads these things.
Simon Hellinger | 05.07.17 - 3:46 p.m. | #
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I estimate that there is a tunnel of approx. 65m when travelling on the jubilee line between Kingsbury and Wembley Park (either way) where the metropolitan line passes over just north west of Wembley Park.
dg writes: Added, thanks.
Wheels | 05.07.17 - 3:52 p.m. | #
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Also some of the low lying stations end up with a >30m tunnel because they have to go under the road they were built on/adjacent to. E.g. Eastcote, Northwood, Rayners Lane
Wheels | 05.07.17 - 4:01 p.m. | #
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Presumably this is soft marketing for the dangleway. 'Ideal for claustrophobics'.
Wolf | 05.07.17 - 4:36 p.m. | #
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Talk about wasting money
Dave B | 05.07.17 - 4:41 p.m. | #
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Of course the real difference between tunnelled and non-tunnelled sections is the evacuation procedure (which is also responsible for the bike ban).
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How's it a waste of money if it's not a printed map? It probably took a couple of employees an afternoon to make and upload, net cost 50 to 100 quid depending on salary.
Geoff | 05.07.17 - 4:49 p.m. | #
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DG, the answer to your question is no-one most likely. Even more glaring inaccuracies can be found in practically every single one of their documents
Not Diamond Geezer | 05.07.17 - 4:55 p.m. | #
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There is a short section between Gallions Reach and Beckton that is most likely a tunnel as it goes underneath the Royal Docks Road.
dg writes: Added, thanks.
Lol Wot? | 05.07.17 - 4:59 p.m. | #
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There is also the 'tunnels' that go underneath roundabouts at Cyprus and Beckton Park (for about 20m) or so but there is a section after Cyprus that lasts much longer.
dg writes: Added, thanks.
Lol Wot? | 05.07.17 - 5:01 p.m. | #
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No sign of the mostly above-ground Thameslink and Great Northern routes though, or presumably the even more tunnel-averse South West Trains.
Sprout Eater | 05.07.17 - 5:02 p.m. | #
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Highbury & Islington - if the East London Line is in a 'tunnel', then why isn't the parallel North London Line also in the same 'tunnel'.
dg writes: Map error, I think.
If you having 'silly tunnels', then include the one on the North London Line/District Line where Manor Circus is. [Google maps]
dg writes: Added, thanks.
Still anon | 05.07.17 - 5:11 p.m. | #
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Obviously no Penge Tunnel (despite its significant length), nor Sandilands Tunnel on Tramlink.
Rupert | 05.07.17 - 7:26 p.m. | #
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On the Met between Finchley Road and Baker Street you'd barely notice you were in a tunnel unless you were paying very close attention; most of it is more of a brick-lined cutting open to the sky. Similarly after dark most small tunnels would pass unnoticed. The map may therefore create concern where currently there is none.
It would be good though to distinguish between "tube" and "sub-surface" trains, as the former are far more claustrophobia-inducing whether underground or not.
Andrew S | 05.07.17 - 8:39 p.m. | #
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On an old-fashioned tube map, it would probably use less ink to show the bits which are not in tunnel. But these days, with Overground and the trams added, tunnel is getting relatively rare.
Malcolm | 05.07.17 - 10:07 p.m. | #
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More missing I think:
-Harrow-on-the-Hill to West Harrow (~40m at a guess)
-Kenton to South Kenton where the Bakerloo and Overground pass under the Met.
-West Silvertown to Canning Town westbound at the junction with the Beckton branch
-100m or so immediately north of Lewisham DLR where is passes under the mainline station.
-the rest of the way between Cutty Sark and Greenwich.
-Surrey Quays towards Queens Road Peckham (diveunder at the junction)
-Surrey Quays to New Cross, ~40-50m tunnel beneath the southeastern lines
-LO between Brondesbury and West Hampstead. ~50m passing below the Met, Jubilee and Chiltern
dg writes: Thanks Chris.
Despite possible implications on the map there is no tunnel between:
-Bow Church and Pudding Mill Lane
-Canary Wharf DLR and Heron Quays
-On the North London Line where it crosses the Northern (High Barnet branch), Piccadilly or Victoria lines
-LO at Gospel Oak
Between Willesden Junction and Shepherd's Bush Market, there is an extended bridge where it passes beneath the Westway ~110m I think, that either is or is not shown depending how you look at where it crosses the Central line.
Chris M | 05.07.17 - 10:12 p.m. | #
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Oh, I was expecting something on the "Night Tube" extension to the Overground. Er, "Night Train" ... hmm, that sounds good enough to be a song title.
Andrew | 05.07.17 - 10:18 p.m. | #
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When the Uxbridge branch goes underneath the Watford / Amersham branches, does that count as a tunnel?
Paul | 06.07.17 - 12:29 a.m. | #
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Present but shouldn't be: a "tunnel" between Shadwell and the fork in the DLR for Bank/Tower Gateway. The Bank branch descends into a tunnel, but the Tower Gateway branch is above ground all the way.
dg writes: New category added, thanks!
alex | 06.07.17 - 7:56 a.m. | #
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The 'tunnel' outside Walthamstow Central used to be two parallel bridges with a gap in between - they've recently built a third bridge deck between the two, so it's debatable whether it's now just a really wide bridge or if they've created a tunnel.
dg writes: I believe the tunnel shown on the map is under Orford Road.
martin | 06.07.17 - 8:00 a.m. | #
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This strikes me as a very sensible idea. I have a friend whose girlfriend was known for not taking the tube due to the tunnels/ confined spaces. On one memorable trip to a gig at Wembley Arena I arranged for us to meet at Finchley Road station to take the train to Wembley, you know, overground, big trains etc. but this wasn't good enough. Something like this probably would have helped/ reassured.
Lorenzo | 06.07.17 - 8:42 a.m. | #
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Too late for me! Though it a reasonably good idea. I hope it of some help for those that need it.
Just wonder why it took so long. My view is that "mental" conditions have for far too long taken a back-seat. They can be and are just as "restrictive" as physical impairments.
OnTheBus | 06.07.17 - 10:51 a.m. | #
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Missing tunnel: Upney to Barking (westbound District)
dg writes: Added, thanks.
Paul | 06.07.17 - 3:03 p.m. | #
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As my daughter said when she saw this on the news, sometimes the feelings of claustrophobia/anxiety that put people off using the tube are more a result of the crowds on the platform/train, rather than the tunnels themselves!
I'm not sure it'd make much of a difference in encouraging the serious tunnel-phobics to "have a go"!
Cornish Cockney | 06.07.17 - 5:02 p.m. | #
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