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A complete digression but I was intrigued by the Chinese Garage stop on the SL5. It is a building in the Japanese style but as everything oriental must be Chinese it became referred to as the Chinese garage, no longer a garage but a Majestic Wine and a Tesco Express.

dg writes: blogged 2019

spankybackpack | 24.07.23 - 7:32 a.m. | #

Is there room on the map for Battersea heliport?

coffin dodger | 24.07.23 - 7:49 a.m. | #

The link to North Woolwich from Barking and Ilford might be a first.

Still Anon | 24.07.23 - 7:53 a.m. | #

SL2 - but Waltham Forest council just closed and demolished Wood St Library.

CRISPY | 24.07.23 - 8:05 a.m. | #

I think there is an excellent opportunity to use some of that Superloop budget to enhance and improve the North Woolwich Ferry service (like they did with the Overground and Elizabeth Line) to help close the gap between SL2 and SL3.

Ell | 24.07.23 - 8:07 a.m. | #

Really, the sooner the details of every bus route within five minutes of every tube station, and every cab rank too, and every TfL bike rack, are inserted on to the tube map, the better.

Philip | 24.07.23 - 8:41 a.m. | #

X26/SL7 calls at Kingston station as well - at least, it uses the same stops as rail replacement buses do.

Not that it will appear on the Tube map. as it is in the desolate area in the bottom left hand corner where TfL dare not go.

dg writes: added, thanks.

timbo | 24.07.23 - 8:57 a.m. | #

In fairness, the North London Line made periodic appearances on the map long before any of these later additions.

David B | 24.07.23 - 9:07 a.m. | #

"some stations are debatable depending on walking distance and what is an interchange anyway?"

I wondered that myself, given how broad a brush TfL occasionally paints interchanges with. Kenton to Northwick Park is not massively shorter than the X26, sorry, SL7's distance to the rail station at Carshalton. They'd both require an able-bodied person to walk it, and once you have that restriction there's only a few minutes between them. (or at least an able-bodied person would still rather walk it than wait for a bus to go 2 stops) I'd say it would be useful to have a quick map to the nearest station at every express stop, but TfL don't do maps at bus stops any more.

Chz | 24.07.23 - 10:02 a.m. | #

I presume that there must be some logic behind SL5 neither serving West Wickham High Street nor going a more direct route via West Wickham station and Red Lodge Lane and Barnfield Wood Road. I can only assume it is to avoid the protests from residents if they had a bus service through the Park Langley Estate.

Still, an excellent service to the main entrance of Bethlem Royal Hospital and Eden Park. Maybe they had the schools in mind.

I would love to know the reasoning behind the route chosen. It is not obvious to me.

Pedantic of Purley | 24.07.23 - 10:02 a.m. | #

Instead of putting Superloop routes on the map, why not do it in reverse? Find good orbital connections, that are currently missing, add them to the map and initiate a service. Just use the existing map, yes we know it’s not geographically accurate, but it is how we see and use the tube/overground service. My quick suggestion- Willesden Jct. (overground), to Sudbury Town (Piccadilly), to Northholt (Central), to Reading (Elizabeth). Looks great on the map! Ok, perhaps Hayes and Harlington (Elizabeth) instead of Reading.

Mike Jones | 24.07.23 - 10:08 a.m. | #

re SL5: There’s a 7 foot width restriction on the bridge at West Wickham station. It means buses can only pass the railway at Hayes or at Eden Park, not the 2 miles inbetween.

diamond geezer | Homepage | 24.07.23 - 10:20 a.m. | #

Woolwich Ferry. What ferry? Closed now until September.

ap | 24.07.23 - 10:44 a.m. | #

I was going to comment on a stop named Chinese Garage too!
Instead I shall sulk that my local SL route can't be made into a name like the SLIX (SL6) or SLATE (SL8).

Cornish Cockney | 24.07.23 - 11:14 a.m. | #

I will change at White City for the Superloop to Kingsbury.

Kim | 24.07.23 - 11:14 a.m. | #

Grey (or probably not given the zones) dotted lines with a lighter weight might work for the map -- a solution sometimes used for trams or major bus routes (usually BRT) on continental Europe. Putting just Superloop roundels won't be very useful for letter people know where they can take the buses to so I hope they won't just do that and call it a day.

dg writes: no no no no no no no

matthieu1221 | 24.07.23 - 11:38 a.m. | #

re SL5: There’s a 7 foot width restriction on the bridge at West Wickham station.

Thanks for that. It explains it. I had totally forgotten about that despite being aware of it as my main memories of the area are in the days before the width restriction was introduced.

PoP | 24.07.23 - 12:12 p.m. | #

ap: Exactly my point. They should be making the Woolwich Ferry much more reliable now with the Superloop, to encourage much easier and seamless travel across the river.

Ell | 24.07.23 - 12:15 p.m. | #

Would be more useful to add superloop roundels to the Rail and Tube map, to see the interchanges with rail in the south.

Even more of a justification to add the roundels if there was a train/tube to superloop (and vice versa) hopper fare, but no there is not such a thing proposed.

(I have submitted a comment suggesting a inter-modal hopper, even for a limited distance.)

MilesT | 24.07.23 - 1:05 p.m. | #

It's a pity the SL2 can't connect with the Central line at South Woodford station That would mean a diversion via Woodford Green. A connection from there to the Victoria line at Walthamstow Central is still sadly missing. Both 20 & 275 ramble around the longest routes possible between Woodford Green & Walthamstow Central.

Steve | Homepage | 24.07.23 - 2:46 p.m. | #

My initial thought is the same as Matthieu - they are bound to find a way to add them as lines, not just roundels, won't they? Lines for TfL operated services and roundels for other London connections (with exceptions) seems depressingly about right

Rich (no not that one, the other one) | 24.07.23 - 3:17 p.m. | #

On the SL2 - Walthamstow to Ilford to Barking - Woolwich Ferry.
I wonder if there is a fast road serving that route so we don't have to have this "express bus' proceed at crawl in some place, such as along Ilford Lane (between Ilford and Barking)?
Why there's the North Circular. Why isn't the SL2 using that. Sure it would miss Gants Hill tube but the time saving is worth it - leave, bus-stop & rejoin at every exit.

Clive Power | Homepage | 24.07.23 - 3:49 p.m. | #

The dates of the next three rebrandings are:
SL6: 4 weeks before ULEZ
SL7: 10 days before ULEZ
SL9: 3 days before ULEZ

(for maximum pre-publicity)

diamond geezer | Homepage | 24.07.23 - 3:53 p.m. | #

That width restriction at West Wickham station is very convenient for the residents of Langley Park who wouldn't want to be disturbed by regular express buses. I do wonder whether this convoluted route will turn out to be any quicker than just following the 119 route via Hayes.

And if this wasn't just a sham and those in charge really wanted to provide the quickest route between Croydon and Bromley then it would be time to bite the bullet and do something about the bridge at Shortlands.

cjw714 | 24.07.23 - 7:44 p.m. | #

It's pretty clear this is all ULEZ-related in the Mayor's mind, but it's not really addressing the objections raised by ULEZ opponents. Granted, some of them are just "I should be able to drive everywhere when I want in what I want" which he'll never win over, but he's really not trying very hard. All Hillingdon gets is a confusing rebrand of two existing limited stop routes.

Andrew S | 24.07.23 - 8:08 p.m. | #

Is it time to have the London Connections map as the standard tube map ? Plus add the Superloop routes ? As for the SL2 North Woolwich seems a silly place given the might run might not nature of the ferry since the new ferries have turned up so better to send it to Beckton Asda then to PR and Custom House ?

Joefrombow | 26.07.23 - 7:24 a.m. | #











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