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I have emails going back for several years. Despite ruthless deleting I still seem to retain a large number. But I have always been a horder, and have kept many paper letters and bills etc. in filing cabinets on my home premises. I think I still have my pay slips form the 1960's. What I have been doing as time permits is scanning old letters and documents and then throwing away the originals. At least a hard disk or "cloud" storage takes up little space, and it is easy to find the documents. Although it is only for I suppose sentimental reason that I keep them.
There are two serious issues about people unthinkingly deleting old emails.

Firstly, imagine if our greatest writers used emails and deleted unwanted stuff afterwards - that's hundreds of biographies that could not have been published because they relied on an archive of letters, handwritten on paper and saved, because no one thinks of throwing away letters.

The other on a more personal note - when I lost my memory some years ago, skimming through the old email archive was one of the biggest helps in rebuilding the shattered memory files in my brain.

It may be ego-centric to say that future generations will want to scour through our emails, but wouldn't you rather be the correspondent written about as the one who left a decent archive of emails - unlike all those other early digital-idiots who kept deleting them?
"indeed a psychologist might say it's indicative of someone who can't bring himself to let go of his past"

Rubbish; I'm hardly in a position to say that when I'm just as bad (or good, depending on your point of view) :)

There are two rules to success in this life: know thine enemy, and keep the evidence.

Collecting emails nicely satisfies both.
You won't catch me storing anything in a cloud.

Our systems manager is constantly telling us to archive emails because of the limited amount of whatever it is the system can hold

Anything thats work related goes in a separate folder as does personal emails but there isnt many, maybe around 50 in my work folder
I only archive when I have to, as archived emails are stored on my hard drive which means I can only access them from the same computer I was using when I archived them, and I often work in different locations, using different machines.

Consequently, my archived emails only go back to 2005, when my hard drive was fried. The stuff I didn't archive, and is still in my Inbox, goes back a further five years!
Oh no, another area where I am the same as you. Not as neat and organised in terms of the filing of the archive but never mind. However when I left my last job I had an enormous job of reviewing my entire archive and then deleting almost all of it and only storing the essential stuff for my successor. It took a long time! I had to do the same for my retained paperwork - I lost track of how many recycling bins I filled.

My last employer had also adopted a system of "auto deletion" of E Mails hived off into the automatic archive because of the lack of discipline in deleting unnecessary E Mails. Everyone therefore had / has the task of slogging through their archive to decide what old stuff had to escape the auto deleter as well as deciding what has to be deleted before heading to the auto archive and entering the realm of eventual destruction. All good fun!
I have 11,000 emails in my in-box. I thought everyone did this. Apparently I am not normal. :(
You're all mad!

I've got 3 e-mails in my work in-box (1 of which is a back-up of my dad's auto-biography) and none in my personal in-box.

The bulk of stuff I get at work (circa 99 pct) is from idiots trying to impress somebody by sending corporate-speak drivel to people who don't need to know what they do.

Come on, surely I'm not the only one who loves the delete button??!!
All I can say is 'Snap'!. Except I go one step further and cc all emails to myself to further annoy the guys in IT because I like to have all current discussions on my inbox rather than looking separately in the Sent Items.

I always consider it a job well done when my entire inbox is visible on one page. This can be anything between 30-42 emails depending on whether I am using the laptop with/without desktop screen.
Wow. I work in IT. You are my worst nightmare yes. :) I used to work at a University doing IT stuff, and academics were keen not only on keeping epic email archives, but also keen on using increasingly creaky old email programs like Eudora to keep it all in.

I always used to wonder about email migrations. If someone has 42,345 emails, and a couple get eaten in a migration, how would you know?

I could never say "hand on heart" that I'd successfully moved a whole archive - needles and haystacks come to mind.

In my old job, we also moved to one of those "automatic email archiving to the cloud" things - that broke any filing system I did have... and when I left a few months ago - I grabbed an Outlook archive of everything left - which I'm not in a position to read, as I don't have Outlook anymore.

Comforting to know I've got it though...
Erm... I've got 31,000 going back to 2007. I must have the rest stashed in an archive somewhere - the ones that go back to 1987 when I first got an email address.
Oh, the 31,000 are not in my inbox. No, I keep that completely empty except for things that I need to do in order to consider an email "closed".
Most of my email auto-sorts (by address sent to or topic) on arrival into 10 different inboxes.

When I have a large inbox (I only file things that are important, and I have nearly 300 individual folders in 8 different categories, each with many sub-files) I simply create a new inbox as a sub-file of 'inbox' called "old inbox [dates])." I do that every few months. The search facility works well on those.


But, I manage my own system, pull and store email locally, and back up regularly. I'm glad I don't work in an office environment because I'd spend my time trying to outwit IT (and, obviously, failing miserably, because it's hard to outwit system controllers).
Oh I'm the same. I keep all my old work emails in my Inbox. Anything that needs me to do something I haven't yet done yet I keep as unread as a reminder. Anything that has something I know will be useful later I move to a "Useful" folder.

I find it so useful as much as an audit trail as anything. E.G. when someone says "why did you do that" you can (hopefully) find the email that explains why. Thankfully the company I work for either don't have an email limit or I've not yet hit it, but I did used to work for a company with an 80MB (yes MB) limit so almost always had to move things to personal folders.

I'm the same with personal emails using Gmail where I don't delete anything.
Ah, this old chestnut...

I am an 'empty inbox' devotee, and as an Outlook user (at work) a great fan of and flags (and categories), which will still direct me to actionable emails (or those I want to refer back to) which I have filed (but nor archived). I have also never understood keeping sent items separate from incoming ones, and always file everything on a topic in the same folder.

The only emails I ever delate are the odd joke or just dumb smiley face from a colleague; but nothing which could ever be useful. But apparently people just click 'delete', just like that! And of course they're the ones sitting back and relaxing while the suckers like us say "I'll find that email for you, hand on..." and there goes 15 minutes.

But how do you archive, DG? I've been in one job for 7 years and have simple archives by calendar year, which seems to work.

Great post!
Can you send *me* the embarrassing pics from the office party?
My husband is in IT and his last job was for cretins. They had an automatic email archive delete every 3 months or so, and I can't remember how many times he bailed someone out (usually cretin bosses) because he had saved them somewhere else, and they hadn't!
Ah, a Classic Geezer Post after all that stuff on London and the Lympics (ugh)

With memory so cheap, there should be no need to worry about storage, with or without the Cloud
In my old decript email program, I have all the emails I've sent and received since 1995 when I got my home email address - one I still have. DG, you're perfectly normal - just like me. It's everyone else you have to worry about!
My work gives us 100mb max mailbox space - tight gits.

Used to work with a old-timer who insisted on printing out two copies of every e-mail!
Another excellent post, DG - Reading this was like hearing myself talking, which was a weird experience!

I too am the one to whom everyone comes when they want to locate something. I'll delete the spam and the "thanks" replies, but the rest is squirreled away. My inbox has about 8 items in it at the moment for action, and the rest is filed in backup.

Our local council will not allow personal folders or storage to The Cloud for data protection reasons (ie they don't want a big fine which they haven't got the money to pay.) Their reason is that a lot of cloud storage companies have t&cs which say they can read your data - not ideal if you are storing eg child protection info.

I know where I get my hoarding habit from. My mother still has a gas bill from 1956 for a house which no longer exists (kept for "sentimental reasons" as it was the first place of her own).
I'm with you DG, there's just no reason to ever delete emails, especially if you have them on your own hard drive. I have about 55,000 and they only take up 2GB, which is less than a DVD. If someone prefers a clear inbox they can always make a folder called "deleted" or something and put most stuff in there. I sort mine into folders so my inbox is always empty anyway.
It seems I'm at odds with most other commenters. I delete almost everything. Can't remember having an issue. Email is kept as long as it's needed...then deleted - rather like sms. Also, whoever said 'who would throw away letters' - well, me for starters.
Our IT department send round a message saying everything in the 'deleted' folder would be deleted in 10 days.
I have my Outlook preference set to delete on closure, so I wasn't concerned. But 11 days later a colleague howled: 'Where have all my stored emails gone?'
I asked: 'Where do you keep them?'
He said: 'In the deleted folder.'
Aaaah.

My employer automatically archives all emails older than a year; and emails with an attachment faster than that. The only way of getting them is by search -- you have to remember it exists, and then think of a suitably narrow search term to find it. And then wait while it searches.
Archiving emails - a bit of a thorny subject I find. I started my career in an industry that had strict guidelines about filing project-related documentation, so I was instilled with 'good' habits from the start.

A good rule to follow is that all attachments should be stored in project files on shared drives with the name of the attachment added to the original email in the following format: double open chevron-name.filetype-double closed chevron with saved location added if needed. This keeps the inbox size down, which has been necessary everywhere I've worked (100 MB currently is the most generous allowance I've had to date).

I also don't like replies that don't have my original message, so if I get one of those, I copy and paste from my sent email and delete that version. As a result, I have full documentation for every project I've worked on, with files saved and colleagues always know they can ask me to find them previous emails.

My hotmail account is a different kettle of fish though, 4000+ emails from 1997 in that inbox and counting...!
I've always kept personal emails in their entirety though. Before I knew how to copy outlook files, when I left my first job, I mainly spent my month's notice saving all my emails as rtf files! Now I just copy the whole file when I leave my job, so I can take everything with me.
Before deleting an email, I reread it. But with very little time for anything but writing, not much gets deleted.

So I back up everything onto an external drive just so I will be able to do something about them on the move if I ever get a laptop.

What worries me more is my address book.

Who are all those people?










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