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The huge impact of Crossrail makes me wonder if tube-only passengers should be included in these figures as well. I use Liverpool Street most days and it doesn’t feel noticeably busier than the pre-Crossrail days.
Presumably, though. this rockets Liverpool Street to the top of the funding for upgrades. Maybe they could even upgrade it without plonking a skyscraper over the concourse? Now there’s a thought…
Dan | 15.12.23 - 7:49 a.m. | #
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I find it irritating that these figures include some passengers changing trains, but not all. For instance Crossrail to Central at Stratford, but not Northern to District at Monbank.
Malcolm of Kent | 15.12.23 - 8:55 a.m. | #
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Interesting that St Pancras is above Kings Cross. I’m guessing all Thameslink passengers are counted as St Pancras even though a decent number use the East Coast Mainline.
David | 15.12.23 - 9:23 a.m. | #
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King's Cross St Pancras would be in 4th place if it were counted as one station.
diamond geezer | Homepage | 15.12.23 - 9:27 a.m. | #
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Dunno where these Crossrail passengers have come from, were they all previously walking or has everyone moved to Romford etc? I’m taking it as a prima facie case for Crossrail 2 though. I see the Victoria State Government is busy removing level crossings in Melbourne so I’m convinced it can be done in the Lea Valley and Motspur Park.
Build it and they will come.
Lorenzo | 15.12.23 - 9:57 a.m. | #
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It's still mindblowing how much Crossrail (and the rerouting of the 469 bus) has changed my perception of London as an Abbey Wood (ish) resident, along with bringing central London much closer. Before it opened I didn't have a clue where any of these stations were as I didn't venture out of the London Bridge/Charing Cross area if I did go into the centre. I'm sure there are more like me!
Kathryn | 15.12.23 - 10:26 a.m. | #
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My wife actually travelled to Kirton in the past 12 months (for work, not for traingeek reasons), but won't be shown in these stats as it was later in the year.
MilesT | 15.12.23 - 10:28 a.m. | #
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Wouldn't the opening of the Crossrail core reduce the number of NR passengers using Stratford, as previously a significant number would have changed from NR to the Central Line there.
The outside London numbers are fascinating, I had no idea Brighton was THAT busy. Tiny correction, I assume the sentence "Liverpool Lime Street is on the cusp of the top 10, just 30,000 passengers behind its Merseyside counterpart." should say Merseyrail.
Mikey C | 15.12.23 - 10:31 a.m. | #
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Yes, I would have expected the figures for Stratford, Liverpool St and Paddington to go down, as central London workers living in outer Crossrail land now have several new places to alight instead of just those three.
Malcolm of Kent | 15.12.23 - 10:38 a.m. | #
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From what I see at Straford, where it used to be people changing from NR to Central Line, it's now lots of people changing from the Central Line to Elizabeth Line.
Brad | 15.12.23 - 11:00 a.m. | #
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The increased footfall at Stratford is extraordinary since its 2006 entry at 7.7m.
scrumpy | 15.12.23 - 11:01 a.m. | #
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I'm in pedalling distance of Reddish South and always think I should make a contribution to the numbers... but I always seem to have something else to do!
Josh | 15.12.23 - 11:13 a.m. | #
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Shame that pre-covid Waterloo was so very close to reaching 100m passengers but so cruelly missed it due to the pandemic and now has no chance! Still with Liverpool St it will be several years before 100m is reached by any station.
Sean | 15.12.23 - 11:31 a.m. | #
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Moorgate (5,587,716) is missing from the end of the list of London termini.
Si | 15.12.23 - 12:35 p.m. | #
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I didn't realise the Sutton loop was so poorly used - I guess two shonky thameslink services in each direction per hour will do that! I live on the loop and I nearly always head to Sutton mainline station or bus to Morden if I need to get anywhere!
FlyingFish93 | 15.12.23 - 1:43 p.m. | #
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Liverpool Street - the GE passengers have disappeared below the station, I wonder how many remain on the Elizabeth Line to Liverpool Street instead of changing at Stratford and change to the Northern Line via Moorgate instead of Bank.
Stratford - as mentioned above, the interchange between the Central Line and Elizabeth Line may well have reversed, and Fenchurch Street passengers may be travelling via West Ham instead of Barking and Overground passengers preferring Stratford over Highbury & Islington.
St Pancras International includes Thameslink, so Kings Cross lost the passengers from the Cambridge/Peterborough semi-fasts along with some of the peak hour only inner suburbans.
Still Anon | 15.12.23 - 1:51 p.m. | #
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So, one of the deep level lines at Tottenham Court Road counts as 'National Rail' but the other two don't. Of the three direct journeys I can make between Bond Street and Stratford, one counts as NR but not the other two. And Canada Water used not to be a NR station.
This is starting to look like an exercise in definitions rather than a useful comparison.
Station comparer | 15.12.23 - 2:17 p.m. | #
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The Sutton loop services are extremely unreliable and sadly are very much the Cinderella Thameslink service. In the past 12 months it has not been uncommon for there to be multiple consecutive cancellations, apparently due to staff shortages, creating 90+ minute gaps. On Tuesday 12/12/23 the 18:49 departure from Sutton to St Albans, for example, was announced as non-stop to Streatham so that it could catch up time. Hardly surprising there are so few passengers when the trains non-stop through stations - including Wimbledon!
The one who knows | 15.12.23 - 3:49 p.m. | #
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Wonder how they calculate Tube/Crossrail interchanges at stations with no gatelines between the two for instance.
dg writes: see 31-page methodology report.
matthieu1221 | 15.12.23 - 4:04 p.m. | #
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Having read up on the methodology and all the caveats included about accuracy and interchanges, plus the fact it's only the first year of Crossrail, perhaps we should all wait another year to be more certain as to what's really going on.
ap | 15.12.23 - 4:15 p.m. | #
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I'm fascinated as to how they arrive at these figures. How can they possibly count passengers like me, interchanging at Stratford between lines, and not required to pass through a gate line/recording point?
Despite Stratford being the 6th busiest National Rail station, no doubt contributed to by the passengers that use National Rail services to points outside Greater London, platforms 9, 10, 10A and 11 have no platform canopies which means during inclement weather people huddle on the stairways causing a hazardous obstruction.
Mike | Homepage | 15.12.23 - 11:21 p.m. | #
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Thanks for the link!
Looks like Crossrail stations might rise again next year because of this point they make:
"Interchanges on the central section of the Elizabeth line - For the April 2022 to March 2023 release we have not been able to include routes involving the central section of the Elizabeth line, this is due to them being excluded from the December 2022 CAF file to allow more time for testing. Going forwards they will be included again, and we can include these number next year. Therefore interchange figures in this release for station on the central section of the Elizabeth line will only include interchanges to or from services from other operators. Therefore our interchange figures at these stations are underestimates."
matthieu1221 | 16.12.23 - 12:44 p.m. | #
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Looking at the spreadsheet with the RAW data, one column I was interested to see is 'Main origin or destination station', together with 'Number of journeys to or from [it]' - from which we learn the most common flow is Liverpool Street to Tottenham Court Road; next two are LST to Stratford, and then to Stansted Airport (highest 'pure' National Rail). TCR is also the most common destination from Paddington; west from PAD it's Reading. Most common inter-city flow is Euston-Manchester Piccadilly; non London is between Birmingham and Coventry, in Scotland between Edinburgh and Glasgow QS
JeremyGH | 16.12.23 - 1:39 p.m. | #
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It’s called the Elizabeth Line..
Barry Nutflakes | 17.12.23 - 10:02 p.m. | #
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I have used TCR quite a lot since the Lizzy Line opened. I'm pleased to see my contribution noted.
LMA | 20.12.23 - 2:39 p.m. | #
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