please empty your brain below
Afraid that "The Jolly Gardeners" web link is defunct.

dg writes: fixed, thanks.

Lucy Garden | 14.01.23 - 10:00 a.m. | #

I've been following the Man&Van wage inflation since the practice of getting free product positioning with plywood on bicycles next to stations has started. In 2020 it wqs 20£ per hour, now in the East End i regularly see 40 but it is the first time I see 50. That's hyperinflation in my view as the production costs have not been multiplied by 2.5 in that period.

international reader | 14.01.23 - 10:33 a.m. | #

My wonderful Geographers' London Atlas of 1964, with borough and postal boundaries in red, shows no triple point between S,K & M. The area of land north of the school in Green Lane crossed by the power lines is marked as Kingston borough. Now it is in Sutton. The part of Beverley Brook beheind the wonderful Kingshill Avenue enclave wasn't the boundary in 1964.

felix | 14.01.23 - 11:43 a.m. | #

The current London boroughs came into existence in 1965.

diamond geezer | Homepage | 14.01.23 - 12:02 p.m. | #

I'm guessing the 1964 Geographers' map incorporated what was already contained in the 1963 Local Government Act - there's no mention therein of all the boroughs which were abolished - such as Surbiton or Malden & Coombe - or any trace of their boundaries.

It seems there was a boundary review in 1992 which sought to realign the Kingston-Sutton boundary, which contained the anomaly of the school and its playing fields being in different boroughs, to the Beverley Brook (see Map 1 and Station Estate proposals).

felix | 14.01.23 - 1:02 p.m. | #

Those ‘man and van’ bikes are everywhere, often clogging up bike parking which could be used by others. They’re the suburban equivalent of the American sweet shops.

Mike on a bike | 14.01.23 - 1:06 p.m. | #

As you have already done Wandsworth's triple points, you can cross Kingston off the list too

timbo | 14.01.23 - 1:07 p.m. | #

On the topic of cartographic oddities, I once considered seeking out all such borough pseudo-exclaves in terms of "must enter another borough to exit" across London, but there are too many of those unless you are very selective with your definitions.
"Minimum 3 streets, car only, public roads only, borders assumed on middle of road" would probably be doable, well maybe one day.

The Kingston one could be one of the biggest size-wise, though not in terms of number of named streets.

commonliner | 14.01.23 - 1:17 p.m. | #

"an unedifying series exploring the 17 triple points around the Greater London boundary"

I'd read that, it's just the sort of incredibly niche content that I enjoy.

Penny | 14.01.23 - 1:42 p.m. | #

One interesting fact about the Kingston exclave is that it was to be part of a new road across South West London. This Twitter thread summarises some details.

It would have run from at least the dual carriageway south of Morden via the Beverley roundabout, Green Lane to the primary school, what is now Risborough Green which would have been a ramp to get across the railway lines, Malden Manor roundabout, across the railway at the very wide bridge to Knollmead primary school and on to Gilders Road roundabout on Chessington. It is fascinating to see how much of the route actually got built: three large roundabouts, Jubilee Way, and the wide bridge on Knollmead. And lots of the roads on the route are wider than they need to be. What might have been...

Stephen | 14.01.23 - 2:58 p.m. | #

Penny, me too. Bring it on!

JohnC | 14.01.23 - 3:03 p.m. | #

Did the Beverley Brook form a manor/parish/hundred boundary in Anglo Saxon times?

south london lad | 14.01.23 - 3:08 p.m. | #

This 1960s Ordnance Survey map, which shows the Greater London borough boundaries, confirms that the Merton/Sutton/Kingston triple point wasn't originally where it now is.

Map man | 14.01.23 - 3:53 p.m. | #

There is a similar exclave at tghe other end of Kingston consisting of three culs-de-sac each partly in Kingston and partly in Richmond, and cannot be reached from each other (or any other part of Kingston) without passing through Richmond.

Also in the same area is a part of Richmond (part of one street and three side roads) which is only connected to Richmond by a road with a width restriction, requiring Richmond's bin lorries to make a circuitous journey of nearly a mile to reach them.

timbo | 14.01.23 - 4:26 p.m. | #

Yes, we have an identical 'Man and Van' installation chained to the railings outside Chiswick Park tube station, with the same phone number. It must be a global, multi-national enterprise!

ActonMan | 14.01.23 - 4:58 p.m. | #

I also saw a Man & Van bike this week, chained outside Dagenham East station - so it looks like a form of guerrilla marketing. I googled the number and it seems to belong to a removal company called MoveZ Ltd.

Carllo | 14.01.23 - 7:01 p.m. | #

Round my way the Man & Van bikes get swiftly disabled with a quick spray of point to obscure part of the phone number, before disappearing some weeks later.

I don't know if this is being done by some local vigilantes or the council street warden (although I have seen it done similarly and contemporaneously to to two different bikes across a borough boundary, which makes me think local vigilantes)

MilesT | 15.01.23 - 1:38 p.m. | #

At what temperature does Sutton exist in gaseous, liquid, and solid forms?

Bob | 15.01.23 - 1:58 p.m. | #

As a child, visiting London felt exotic and extravagant as I did it so rarely. Little did I know I'd be in London almost monthly as an adult. The first place I went as a child was to visit my uncle, aunt and cousins who had moved to Croydon. They lived at 599 Mitcham Road so it's a nice bit of nostalgia to see the road mentioned here and not too far from the triple point either.

Anders | 15.01.23 - 2:36 p.m. | #

There's another exclave at the opposite corner of Sutton. The Clock House estate sits on the Sutton/Croydon/Surrey triple point and is only accessible by road from the Croydon (Coulsdon) side. The southern edges of Sutton, Carshalton and Wallington are about 2km away across farmland and golf courses.

Nick L | 15.01.23 - 5:01 p.m. | #

Yes Mitcham Common is nicer in summer and away from the road(s). It is a wonderful haven for wildlife of all sorts, with a few bits of heathland with actual heather, a rarity in London. The Friends of Mitcham Common are very active in trying to keep litter at a minimum and preserving the attractions of it.

Richard Thomas | 16.01.23 - 10:12 a.m. | #

Richardson Evans Memorial Playing Fields is a longer name and somewhat nearby in Roehampton.

Ojasvi | 21.01.23 - 10:27 a.m. | #

My seconder into Freemasonry lived in Kings hill Avenue.

troweller | 30.12.23 - 9:48 a.m. | #











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