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How many Hopper fares did it cost you?
Dan | 03.11.18 - 7:12 a.m. | #
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It cost me nothing, because I have an annual Travelcard.
On Pay As You Go it would have cost the daily bus cap - £4.50.
diamond geezer | Homepage | 03.11.18 - 7:21 a.m. | #
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Wow! I drove past those bollards late last night (having gone to Richmond by a different route). I didn't know then that they were going to become infamous.
I am pleased to report that there was no queue at 11:15pm. Perhaps you could have done an overnight yomp instead?
Ken | 03.11.18 - 7:47 a.m. | #
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5 hours travelling using your route. TfL's journey planner gives 3 hours 44 minutes Bow to Box Hill by bus in the morning via 25 to Oxford Circus. I know you wanted to avoid Central London but I thought you might have tried a different route coming back.
Did you cross the stepping stones I wonder.
John | 03.11.18 - 7:55 a.m. | #
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It took you 45 minutes less than I guessed it would.
ganching | Homepage | 03.11.18 - 8:01 a.m. | #
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I guessed 5:30 , which quite pleased me.
John DLC | 03.11.18 - 8:09 a.m. | #
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Tiny bit surprised you opted for the 25 as a change from a 205 to 344 is perfectly feasible at Liv St.
Still a nice run out on a sunny day. Haven't done a long "out and back" trip like that for a long time.
PC | 03.11.18 - 9:18 a.m. | #
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When you finally get to the age when you qualify for a 60+ Oyster Card (as perhaps other readers of the blog already have), you can do it the way I did it: tube to Waterloo then non-stop train to Surbiton, picking up the 465 ouside the station, for whch you wait 20 minutes (or buy a sandwich). That makes 1 hr 20 minutes from Waterloo.
The earliest departure you can take from there is at 9h42, which gets you your destination just after 11am
Martin | 03.11.18 - 10:08 a.m. | #
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On a personal note, other passengers eating smelly food and oversized passengers are for me the the biggest turn off for public transport.
5 hours sounds a long time even for London..plus you are very limited in what you can take with you.
I am very glad that you do all the coal face stuff, and I get to read about it. (Great blog)
But an article like this only makes me cling to my car even more. (I do not live in London it has to be said)
YDU | 03.11.18 - 10:16 a.m. | #
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I enjoyed reading this.
Bus enthusiasts over the English bus-pass age (and living outside London) tend to do trips something like this from time to time, trying to get as far as possible without paying a fare. Saturday is the day of choice, because you do not have to wait until 09:30 to start, and Sunday timetables are less favourable.
But most of us do not go the extra mile of writing it all up for an audience.
Malcolm | 03.11.18 - 10:16 a.m. | #
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At an average speed of 6mph shows why buses are losing passengers- I had you getting home a couple of hours earlier as I was hoping for a optimistic average speed of 8 mph
Moss | 03.11.18 - 10:17 a.m. | #
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I once made my way from Crystal Palace to Brighton by local buses. Didn't do any research or plan anything out in advance, just kept getting on the first bus that looked like it was going in the right direction.
solar penguin | 03.11.18 - 10:34 a.m. | #
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Back in the 1970s this would have been two hops by Green Line coach with a Golden Rover ticket. Sadly, they hardly exist now, having been reduced to a couple of airport routes and a Hemel Hempstead commuter run.
Ironicsteve | 03.11.18 - 10:58 a.m. | #
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When I got my Freedom Pass at 60, over 12 years ago, I traveled every tube, train and bus I could.
The furthest I went on a bus day out was from South West London to Cambridge. I wanted to try the then new guided buses in Cambridge.
I do not make many trips now as a lot of the non TfL bus routes outside of London have gone or only run a very limited service.
Unfortunately dg will have to wait longer for his Freedom Pass and the London Over 60 pass does not include non TfL buses.
John | 03.11.18 - 11:43 a.m. | #
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I guessed 11-12 hours, assuming you would have spent longer at Box Hill than you did!
I do prefer to travel by bus (I like looking out of windows!) but they are so s-l-o-w!
Cornish Cockney | 03.11.18 - 11:57 a.m. | #
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@Ironicsteve
Other Green Line routes still exist. Reading Buses run the 702/703 service between Reading and London (702) and Bracknell and Heathrow (703). I know, I travelled for free using my pensioner pass exactly 3 weeks ago between Newbury and Covent Garden to visit the LT Museum bookshop. Well worth it.
J. | 03.11.18 - 11:58 a.m. | #
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I have a guilty pleasure of doing this.
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The very first bus I used my Over 60 pass on is only two years younger than me. And I made a point of jumping on while it was moving, to prove I still can!
Spatula | 03.11.18 - 1:20 p.m. | #
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Have you made contact with the British Trust for Ornithology about the twenty white cranes in Battersea? I'm sure they would be interested.
DGD | 03.11.18 - 1:22 p.m. | #
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We used to go there from Bucks when I was a kid, after decent snow, and toboggan down. Sheer joy. Dragging my Davos toboggan back up, not quite in the same league!
Scrumpy | 03.11.18 - 2:21 p.m. | #
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I must make better use of my Disabled Persons Freedompass. So many places to go but not that interesting to do it on your own!
Drew | Homepage | 03.11.18 - 3:21 p.m. | #
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Did any of the buses that you used have that irritating feature of 'engine cut-out when the doors open'? I suppose it is meant to be an 'environmental' feature but, apart from busy routes in rush-hour, the engine is only off for a few seconds and the amount of exhaust from the re-start must exceed the amount saved by the cut-out. On top of that, the starter-motor must need replacing a lot sooner, so is it really worth it?
Oh yes, and the extra delay at each stop must add the the journey time.
RayL | 03.11.18 - 3:50 p.m. | #
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@RayL
I assume that feature is the same as the "Stop Start" feature on many modern cars, and is designed to avoid wasting fuel by idling the engine. Modern batteries, especially on hybrids, can easily cope with the extra load (and the engine doesn't cut out if the battery is low).
But I suspect I am not alone in being conditioned to expect a long wait if we hear a bus engine stopping - traditionally it means the driver is going off shift and we'll be stationary for up to ten minutes waiting for another one to saunter up to take it over.
Spatula | 03.11.18 - 4:39 p.m. | #
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I was pleased with my "by 6pm" estimate, although some earlier posters were closer. I have to say DG, I don't know if it's due to subliminal reinforcement from reading your blog, or whether the pursestrings are getting a bit tighter, but I've found myself recently catching buses in lieu of the tube where the service isn't that much longer.
Marco | 04.11.18 - 9:58 a.m. | #
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@RayL. Diesel engines don't need exrra fuel to re start, so even a few seconds switched off is a genuine saving. As for the starter - the engineers have thought of that and those compensation are updated
IslandDweller | 04.11.18 - 6:17 p.m. | #
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Bow to Box - what a difference one letter makes!
Spatula | 04.11.18 - 11:52 p.m. | #
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Probably bus stop M's least controversial appearance on a DG post
MO | 05.11.18 - 6:59 a.m. | #
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