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Getting "Turkey Street" on a map is good enough for me. If Americans giggled at "Cockfosters" lord knows what's going to happen with that......!
Doktorb | 01.12.14 - 7:36 a.m. | #
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Oh dear, as somebody who has run the underground and overground lines end to end, it looks like I will have a few more to run from May 31.
Running Correspondent | 01.12.14 - 8:32 a.m. | #
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So why didn't they put this out in January when most of the changes would have taken effect?
Can it be as banal as Credit Card + Christmas?
HoosierSands | Homepage | 01.12.14 - 8:42 a.m. | #
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The new map won't immediately hit all the racks this morning, it'll take a few days (weeks, judging from previous experience) for them to appear at all stations.
The new Tottenham Court Road station however for the Northern Line only I am told with open on January 12th (and the Central Line will actually close on the evening of the 9th) and as there ARE five brand new lifts being installed at the station, step-free access to Tottenham Court Road will be happening!
geofftech | Homepage | 01.12.14 - 9:03 a.m. | #
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but the "putting the Overground on the tube map", thing is massive.
either time to ditch the small size folded map we have now, introduce something bigger and print the 'London Connections'/Oyster map on it, or...
have the Overground only on the LC/Oyster map, and take it off the tube map alltogether. otherwise it's going to look too cramped and messy.
geofftech | Homepage | 01.12.14 - 9:09 a.m. | #
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"So why didn't they put this out in January "
In theory, all train companies across Europe change their timetables on the second Sunday in December, so that's why they publish the new timetable now. It's not actually happening that way in London this year - all the really big changes (London Bridge works) take effect in early January.
IslandDweller | 01.12.14 - 9:16 a.m. | #
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What about Stratford to Stanstead via Cheshunt on your map?
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@ Anon 0922 - the line via T Hale, including services from Stratford, does not transfer to TfL. There's no reason for TfL to show it on the tube map. It's not very logical but the DfT would not transfer the local services on that route to TfL, more's the pity.
Anyway we must wait to see what happens with system maps when we get to May 2015.
PC | 01.12.14 - 10:01 a.m. | #
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Without picking and choosing I'm not sure how the mass of Overground lines swamping the map can be resolved. Taking them all off would mean losing the East London Line, which is an important underground link in a part of the city that doesn't have one; leaving them all on makes things messy. It's already going to look horrible when Crossrail comes along, never mind Crossrail 2.
We've reached the point where the diagram needs to be started all over again, from scratch.
Scott | Homepage | 01.12.14 - 11:03 a.m. | #
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@PC
"There's no reason for TfL to show it on the tube map."
Depends whether you see the map as a ueful guide to getting around, or simply something to show what TfL runs.
It is evidently the latter, as the map no longer shows the direct routes between Highbury & Islington and Old Street, or between Blackfriars and Farringdon.
Tottenham hale has a direct service to Liverpool Street, and Clapham Junctoin has one to Victoria - you'd never know from the Tube map!
timbo | 01.12.14 - 11:07 a.m. | #
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That TCR/Central Line closure is going to cause untold misery - every evening at Oxford Circus & Holborn will be apocalyptic...
MarcB | 01.12.14 - 11:31 a.m. | #
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Spending much time south of the river I always use the London tube and rail services map as that shows all the lines.
I often feel sorry for tourists who only have a tube and overground map and do not realise there are other lines they could use.
I do not find the map with all the services hard to read so do not see what the problem is with adding a few more overground line to the tube map.
I think the map should show all the services and the London tube and rail services map should be the normal one issued.
John | 01.12.14 - 11:33 a.m. | #
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If the so called "tube map" shows DLR, Overground and some "airline cable thing" then surely it should show Tram services "south of the river"? Last time I looked it run on rails too.
OnTheBus | 01.12.14 - 1:06 p.m. | #
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Apparently the tram doesn't appear because it's too similar to a bus... I'm sure if Cross River tram, the Uxbridge tram or the Brent Cross trams went ahead they'd appear. As far as I'm aware the latest countdown information for tram stops isn't yet available on the TfL website despite promises by the Trams manager on Twitter in spring that it would be by summer.
Trambuster | 02.12.14 - 12:22 a.m. | #
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So Covent Garden is entrance only from mid-November this year to early Feb and then closes again?
Max | 02.12.14 - 1:11 p.m. | #
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TfL Rail? What kind of stupid name is that? At least call it something decent like Great Eastern Metro.
dg writes: It's a temporary name, until Crossrail is up and running properly.
Silent Hunter | 02.12.14 - 6:09 p.m. | #
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@Max
exit only: No station is ever entrance only, for safety reasons
timbo | 03.12.14 - 2:46 p.m. | #
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