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That map also shows why we need to split the Northern line name even more, now that it will be essentially an X shape meeting at Camden Town.
anonymous | 14.05.21 - 7:39 a.m. | #
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Any Victoria line passengers who'd be penalised by Vauxhall being in zone 1 might be saved by the secret short hop discount earlier.
Ian | 14.05.21 - 7:45 a.m. | #
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I don't think that everyone has your constitution DG?! The 20 minute walk from Vauxhall to Battersea Power Station is just over a mile (1.75km) and mainly in a concrete canyon, not the prettiest or healthiest hike either.
I can't wait to have a go on this extension though, Indian variant lockdowns permitting, though I am not convinced that 'normality' will return on June 21st.
Ken | 14.05.21 - 7:46 a.m. | #
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There's been talk of Battersea Power Station being an OSI with Battersea Park - but they're in different zones. How would that work?!
robbaker292 | Homepage | 14.05.21 - 8:01 a.m. | #
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Ken: I'd agree the main route along the road is pretty nasty - and always has been, even back in the '70s - but the riverside path is decent.
MartinO'Holcombe | 14.05.21 - 8:16 a.m. | #
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Agree completely about the reason tube lines are extended these days. Partly explains why the Met extension was cancelled. A tube line extension to help ordinary people? That's so 20th century.
daveid76 | 14.05.21 - 8:27 a.m. | #
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Found myself unfortunately near the new Battersea Power Station last week while trying to walk to Vauxhall. Not a place I would want to live even when the building site hoardings come down. But at least with the new tube stations there is a means to escape.
davews | 14.05.21 - 8:31 a.m. | #
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Should the new map also have one of those "you can walk this" dotted lines between Nine Elms and Vauxhall? Just for increased clarity..!
Philip | 14.05.21 - 8:57 a.m. | #
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Thanks for this. I'd nearly forgotten Richard Tice's role in Vauxhall - but I think he was the *Chair* of the BID while Chief Executive Officer of the property company CLS Holdings, whose head office is in the area.
Robert Doyle | 14.05.21 - 8:58 a.m. | #
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I suspect Battersea pier may also now appear on the tube map, given proximity to the new tube station. There'll be a third, reasonably pleasant, parallel walking route away from both road and riverside via the 'linear park', which threads it's way between the developments, when a few more builds reach completion.
David | Homepage | 14.05.21 - 9:02 a.m. | #
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The sensible thing would have been to follow the dlr example and make both the new stations zones 1/2
Phil | 14.05.21 - 9:38 a.m. | #
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A passenger with a railcard added to an Oyster PAYG card will pay more to travel from Kennington to Zone 1 in the evening peak.
Off peak fares apply at all times after 09:30 when travelling from Zone 2 into Zone 1, so a railcard discounted fare is £1.65.
From next week travel from Kennington to Zone 1 between 16:00 and 19:00 and you’ll pay the Zone 1 Peak fare of £2.40.
Hadders | 14.05.21 - 10:06 a.m. | #
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There's been talk of Battersea Power Station being an OSI with Battersea Park - but they're in different zones. How would that work?!
OSI and zones are two different things so no problem. If you use it as an OSI your two journeys count as one journey so you only pay one fare. It will almost certainly work out much cheaper.
Having said that, I am struggling to think of a single realistic journey for which such an OSI would be useful.
Pedantic of Purley | 14.05.21 - 10:16 a.m. | #
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A fascinating post, and I admire the diagrams. And the insight into some of the political aspects.
However logical putting the new stations in 1/2 might seem, it was not what the piper had paid for, so it wouldn't happen.
Malcolm of Kent | 14.05.21 - 10:16 a.m. | #
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I’ve heard of the OSI between Battersea Power Station and Battersea Park too. But a far more useful one would be between Nine Elms and Vauxhall National Rail to allow those coming from the West to connect onto the Northern Line.
Chris D | 14.05.21 - 10:21 a.m. | #
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It's bizarre to think that anyone who can afford one of those flats would have been put off by a slightly higher Tube fare to central London. It really does demonstrate the strange world of property development. Meanwhile it will cost the cleaners who work for the new residents more to travel from south London than if the stations had been in Zone 2, though most will probably get the bus.
(and by the way it's a big data file that changes the fares rather than any clever software)
AS | 14.05.21 - 10:35 a.m. | #
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A realistic journey using such an OSI might be from somewher on the Southern network to somewhere on the Northern Line. It’s For example Wandsworth Common to Goodge Street (which otherwise requires two changes). Joining the Northern Line at BPS would also guarantee a seat.
timbo | 14.05.21 - 10:52 a.m. | #
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"The Chief Executive of the Vauxhall One BID didn't want new residents paying a £300 annual penalty for living in zone 2."
As if anyone will actually live there! Like most such developments, an awful lot will be bought solely as investments, and sullying your investment by allowing people to live in it will reduce your profit when the time comes to sell.
Graham | 14.05.21 - 12:42 p.m. | #
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Don't believe it will open in September.
kev | 14.05.21 - 2:18 p.m. | #
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Expect queues for the lifts on Test match days when people get to know about this, worse for Twenty20 with everyone coming at once.
Sprout Eater | 14.05.21 - 5:59 p.m. | #
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I think “oiling the wheels of capitalism” was always the reason Tube lines were extended (or indeed built in the first place).
Kim | 14.05.21 - 7:17 p.m. | #
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Indeed, for example the Charing Cross branch of the Northern Line which is being extended to Battersea was built by the infamous Charles Yerkes.
Mikey C | 14.05.21 - 7:36 p.m. | #
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If there are still peak-hour services from Morden via Charing Cross, that'll make the map look even more awkward.
Gregg | 14.05.21 - 11:11 p.m. | #
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An OSI between 2 zones already exists in Bromley. Another place where a zone boundary runs down a line is between Lewisham and Cutty Sark.
If Vauxhall was to be re-zoned in zone 1 there would be uproar from most of South West London using National Rail.
Mike Whitaker | Homepage | 16.05.21 - 9:42 p.m. | #
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I see Geoff has a video up trying to come up with a cartographic solution. It all looks really messy. Dare we conclude that the Thames may have to be altered to allow for Queenstown Road and Vaxuhall to be correctly placed?
Doktorb | 17.05.21 - 8:06 p.m. | #
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