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A mere £120k wasted on the gantry that never was and its aftermath. Plus whatever fraction of the original construction cost was attributable to the provision of the slip road. Which will be a significantly larger sum but one which any FoI request will inevitably fail to elicit. Pissed, as we say, up the wall. And do we think anyone in TfL will in any way be held accountable for this incompetence? Do not hold your breath.
David B | 02.05.26 - 7:53 a.m. | #
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Don't bother submitting that request, because "it is not possible to split out the costs for the slip road alternations only".
diamond geezer | Homepage | 02.05.26 - 7:58 a.m. | #
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5. TFL withdrew funding but the subways at North Street roundabout Romford , are due to be "decommissioned" at the end of the year.
Fred | 02.05.26 - 8:15 a.m. | #
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7 - so the early days of TfL are lost to historians.
23 - so 'institutional momentum' saw the project keep going even though Newham council raised two very practical objections; importantly there was no one within TfL (risk assessment central) who fully comprehended the significance of a project that introduced bridge strikes as a possible (realistic) outcome, something which should have stopped the work going ahead. Possible episode of Auto Shenanigans.
Still Anon | 02.05.26 - 8:24 a.m. | #
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12 - for some time, all(?) new buses have hade cameras instead of wing mirrors but I've also seen that some older buses appear to have been retrofitted. I wonder if this is partly to avoid incidents of head clouting as well as to provide a better view for the driver.
Steve Rochford | 02.05.26 - 8:45 a.m. | #
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I am making assumptions about how you have displayed the data provided but...
If you click on 40 pages link you provided it just gives scanned images which, very conveniently for the supplier, makes them unsearchable. An old trick.
Microsoft tried this in the US many years ago and got slapped down by the court.
Pedantic of Purley | 02.05.26 - 8:54 a.m. | #
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1) Chernaik is American or American-British.
3) Noise complaints split up by passenger, resident near above ground section, and resident near below ground section would be useful.
6) What's that top ten with a column for per installation?
Bit small to be a white elephant. White tapir?
toby | 02.05.26 - 9:39 a.m. | #
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5 - Some interesting subway choices there. Mostly big 1960s expressway junctions that have been made pedestrian friendly with surface crossings, but the Lucozade factory one (which turns out to be between Audi and Novotel in Brentford) seems to remove an obvious link between bus stops in favour of a long detour, and Foxhole Road is a mystery (which seems to have been first reduced in width, then filled in completely) leaving a much worse outcome for pedestrians.
David | 02.05.26 - 10:05 a.m. | #
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5 - I can remember the Old Marylebone Road one. The first time I encountered it I was trying to cross the 6 lanes of the Marylebone Road, saw a subway and went down, only to emerge on the same side of the main road having crossed a fairly minor side road. I felt very silly. All rather pointless.
Andrew S | 02.05.26 - 10:18 a.m. | #
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5 - I remember those grey enamel pedestrian subway maps at the top of the stairs showing the layout. Many had the lettering ‘GLC’ painted over post-1986.
Kim | 02.05.26 - 10:49 a.m. | #
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£92k for a feasibility study for a height barrier. The mind boggles.
Scrumpy | 02.05.26 - 11:05 a.m. | #
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Alternatively, I would suggest Newham saw an opportunity to expedite their bus lane proposal and threw a spanner in the works. Perhaps I'm cynical.
It is quite possible redesigning the layout would have forced by way of compliance another round of bureaucracy, costing even more in WOMBAT.
Michael T | 02.05.26 - 11:20 a.m. | #
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(Bow) This also shows that someone in Newham Council doesn't know how to use a question mark.
Pedantic of Chilwell | 02.05.26 - 12:52 p.m. | #
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Why are subways being removed? Yet another thing that makes life more inconvenient for pedestrians.
Nick | 02.05.26 - 12:58 p.m. | #
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And then there's the Gallows Corner debacle. That might be worth an FOI one day.
Ackshley | 02.05.26 - 1:17 p.m. | #
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I keep meaning to ask TFL why 'destination' announcements are different on the Northern line to the rest of the network.
Leclerc | 02.05.26 - 1:19 p.m. | #
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23 - that's some incredible joined-up thinking. So the contraflow lanes is entirely superfluous in the first place if it's seen as something they can drop for a bus lane.
I'm still at a loss as to how this was supposed to improve traffic flow as the contraflow lane still does exist, albeit not as far down to the roundabout, so that bit of the high street to the east of the roundabout still has to drop down to a single lane eastbound anyway?
dg writes: the remaining contraflow bit, all currently closed, could become a second lane of traffic
matthieu1221 | 02.05.26 - 1:54 p.m. | #
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Nick, because in many cases subways were in fact less convenient than surface crossings replacing them for pedestrians. Not to mention how not all subways (and not all subway exits) are step-free.
matthieu1221 | 02.05.26 - 1:56 p.m. | #
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5) I've been puzzling all day where a Monument Way subway could have been. Presumably, the Monument Way in Tottenham is meant? I can't find another.
Second time of writing - I deleted the first one this morning before posting, in case I was wrong.
Steve | Homepage | 02.05.26 - 2:09 p.m. | #
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5 - Steve - that one intrigued me a bit too. And I have found the subway, it is (or was) about half way along Monument Way, and has been caught by vintage Street View. Maybe an example of a straight-through, safe-looking and step free subway that had it survived a little longer would have formed a better part of a north south cycle route than the remaining double light controlled crossing.
David | 02.05.26 - 2:41 p.m. | #
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5) David - well I never! Thank you.
Steve | Homepage | 02.05.26 - 3:08 p.m. | #
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4)The Sidcup High Street shelter was installed on 25th April.
They finished doing it at 10pm (no doubt so the bus stop could be reopened.
It has two double seats in red plastic, unlike your photo, but they are both very low down as one of yours is.
Same patterned glass as yours.
No overhead display (as yet?).
Here's a photo.
Think it has spaces for adverts on the road side.
Bob Walker | Homepage | 02.05.26 - 7:28 p.m. | #
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5) List of TfL subways in first Google result when you search for tfl pedestrian subways filetype:pdf. It confirms the Monument Way one is in Haringay and isn't to do with Monument.
dg writes: the list is from 2004
Bob Walker | 02.05.26 - 7:44 p.m. | #
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5) The Monument it refers to is the High Cross, adjacent to Tottenham Green. Monument Way replaced a large section of High Cross Road, which had been built up very early (by the 18th Century) and was the connector from Tottenham Green to Tottenham Hale. I believe it was also called High Cross Road for a while too. Tottenham was a district with many outlying communities. Tottenham Green, Page Green, West Green, The Hale, Wood Green and Duckett's Common.
Steve | Homepage | 02.05.26 - 11:24 p.m. | #
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5) A subway at Tolworth Roundabout on the A3 was also 'filled in' recently as part of the road improvement works there, adjacent to the Hollywood bowl,it has been replaced by a light controlled surface crossing
mikeH | 03.05.26 - 1:55 p.m. | #
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4 partially reminded me to attempt to submit my views on new bus shelters (the one in Hampstead also has a sign with a QR code also encourage responses)
Failing to find a relevant section on TfL's "have your say" website, I resorted to email (to comment that the important thing was to continue or improve passenger information and local wayfinding)
MilesT | 03.05.26 - 6:44 p.m. | #
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I think the 1930 Road Traffic Act states there must be a clear height of 16ft 6ins. So construction of a new bridge with less than this clearance since 1930 may be illegal. Therefore those responsible for the flyover may be putting up a big smokescreen to hide the c*ck-up.
dg writes: no, not this
Sholto Thomas | 05.05.26 - 6:05 a.m. | #
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Can you ask TfL what happened with their FOI website as they are not updating?
dg writes: they have weeks off occasionally
Commenter | 14.05.26 - 5:20 p.m. | #
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