please empty your brain below
I'm interested in where, what and why, not whether you think it's right or wrong.

diamond geezer | Homepage | 15.07.21 - 12:00 a.m. | #

It's all completely Barking, where c2c run the station but it's also served by London Underground and Overground and TfL buses.

martin | 15.07.21 - 7:05 a.m. | #

The Overground stations in south London will be like Rickmansworth. You can remove your mask if you get on a Southern train but not an Overground one.

solar penguin | 15.07.21 - 7:12 a.m. | #

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Putters | 15.07.21 - 7:14 a.m. | #

I think National Rail stations like Liverpool Street will be interesting, where you will need to wear one on TFL Rail but not other trains going between there and Stratford for example.

Matt | 15.07.21 - 7:18 a.m. | #

Highbury & Islington is operated by TfL, with Overground above ground, Victoria Line and GN beside each other below ground.
Old Street and Moorgate are both operated by TfL with GN and Northern Line platforms almost alongside each other (but not directly accessible from each other).

Retired from the City | 15.07.21 - 7:19 a.m. | #

What about Southwark station?

There's a few feet of "No Man's Land" between the LU gateline and the NR gateline leading to Waterloo East. This area has no other entrance or exit. Do you wear your mask there?

Medford | 15.07.21 - 7:20 a.m. | #

There's potentially an even bigger contradiction though. London Overground and TfL Rail are National Rail services.

So while NR's would Conditions of Travel effectively grant you the "right" to travel on LO and TfL Rail without a mask, TfL's Conditions of Carriage, for the very same trains, contradict this. Two sets of rules, for the same trains.

Medford | 15.07.21 - 7:29 a.m. | #

I can think of lots of stations TfL share:

Highbury & Islington, Old Street and Moorgate - with Great Northern.
Stratford - with Greater Anglia.
Ealing Broadway & Greenford - with Great Western Railway.
South Ruislip, West Ruislip, Harrow-on-the-Hill - with Chiltern.
Harrow & Wealdstone - with West Midlands Trains.
Euston - with National Rail.
Limehouse - with C2C.
Lewisham & Greenwich - with National Rail.
Clapham Junction, Crystal Palace, West Croydon, Shepherds Bush, New Cross, New Cross Gate, Watford Junction etc. - with various parts of National Rail.

Still Anon | 15.07.21 - 7:29 a.m. | #

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David | 15.07.21 - 7:50 a.m. | #

Kentish Town, you have to walk through the TFL station to reach the Thameslink platforms.

coffin dodger | 15.07.21 - 8:02 a.m. | #

Greenwich DLR (but not Limehouse, where they are separated).
Partially-integrated station at Woolwich Arsenal.
Abbey Wood station, run by TfL, but served only by South Eastern trains.

Paul | 15.07.21 - 8:55 a.m. | #

BBC South's transport correspondent called it 'bonkers' last night as at Reading, get a GWR express to Paddington, no masks needed, but a stopper, run by TFL, masks required. Maybe not bonkers but definitely confusing and as he said, what about on the platforms?

J. | 15.07.21 - 9:08 a.m. | #

The light wall filled tunnel at King's Cross will be an interesting one, as while it looks to be a tube station entrance, it's owned by a private company.

Ian | 15.07.21 - 9:21 a.m. | #

For all the criticism, this is nothing new. The same rules apply to drinking alcohol on the train or on the platform. They were also worse still in the days when smoking was gradually being outlawed and each TOC was doing its own thing. This was revived recently with vaping but we now have a consistent ban with that.

Pedantic of Purley | 15.07.21 - 9:25 a.m. | #

Woolwich Ferry: Looks like you'll have to wear a mask on the piers at both ends, but not on the ferry itself.

commonliner | 15.07.21 - 9:32 a.m. | #

I had the privilege of travelling on the dangleway yesterday. Only one person or group per cabin permitted, so absolutely no reason for us to wear masks for the flight. I enjoyed the journey.

Ken | 15.07.21 - 9:38 a.m. | #

Didn’t Awkward Regulatory Interfaces do a session for John Peel in the early 80s?

Philip | 15.07.21 - 9:58 a.m. | #

Phillip, it was in 1978 when they supported The Eclectic Tablecloth.

Rick | 15.07.21 - 10:03 a.m. | #

Wimbledon & Richmond.

Mike | 15.07.21 - 10:06 a.m. | #

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AlanBG | 15.07.21 - 10:08 a.m. | #

Further to PoP's comment, the National Rail website has for some time (possibly throughout?) only said that masks were required on trains and enclosed areas of stations so open-air platforms were fine which seems quite sensible. Some TOCs it seems have been trying to give a different message, though so far as they know they have no way to enforce it unlike TfL who have their own Conditions of Carriage.

Andrew S | 15.07.21 - 10:23 a.m. | #

I notice that several comments today consist of the single word "snip". Does this mean that 'DG' is now censoring out completely any comments he does not approve of ?

dg writes: See first comment.

Pierre | 15.07.21 - 10:39 a.m. | #

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Sprout Eater | 15.07.21 - 10:47 a.m. | #

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Bryn Davies | 15.07.21 - 10:49 a.m. | #

Mask on, for the District Line to Wimbledon,
mask off through Wimbledon station,
mask on, for the tram towards Croydon

AndrewR | 15.07.21 - 10:51 a.m. | #

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Andrew Jarman | 15.07.21 - 11:19 a.m. | #

Many of these awkwardnesses already exist, since face coverings are not mandatory in open air areas of stations, exempt for those operated by TfL, where they are mandatory.

Chris D | 15.07.21 - 11:23 a.m. | #

I wonder how many people will actually know which company runs each station.

kev | 15.07.21 - 12:26 p.m. | #

I note from Geoff Marshall's video of yesterday that there are occasional National Rail services that run over District Line rails - could that mean masks must be worn for that portion of the journey?

(No, no it won't. That's not how any of this works.)

Penny | 15.07.21 - 2:45 p.m. | #

I don't see why masks would be needed on Finsbury Park tube platforms (not TfL owned) but not on Upminster tube platforms (also not TfL owned).

Felix | 15.07.21 - 5:54 p.m. | #

Just to add to the confusion, TfL's Conditions say "all tickets issued for travel on London Overground and TfL Rail are subject to the National Rail Conditions of Travel", so my reading is that if you're travelling on these services with a ticket you don't have to wear a mask, but if you're travelling on Oyster you do.

In addition,

"The stations listed below are operated by London Underground, but any ticket bought at these stations is covered by the National Rail Conditions of Travel:
Gunnersbury, Kenton, South Kenton, Harlesden, Kew Gardens, Stonebridge Park, Harrow & Wealdstone, North Wembley, Wembley Central, Kensal Green, Queen’s Park"

All perfectly logical.

Betterbee | 16.07.21 - 9:20 a.m. | #

Correction to the above: both TfL and NR say that the term ticket includes Oyster, so TfL is saying that NR conditions, not its own, apply for all travel on LO and TfL Rail services.

That implies no mask requirement on LO or TfL trains - but as to what's supposed to happen on stations, who knows?

Betterbee | 18.07.21 - 9:05 a.m. | #

Meanwhile, back in the real world, today's Times reports that:

"...one in five users of the app have turned off contact tracing, according to a survey. They have turned off bluetooth on their mobile phones, which stops the contact-tracing function from being able to collect location data.

The survey by YouGov also found that one in ten have deleted the app from their phone, while one in three Britons have been avoiding using the app to check in at venues."

David | 21.07.21 - 3:21 p.m. | #











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