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Fascinating. So a hotel with a bar open to non residents is a pub?

Malcolm | 28.06.19 - 8:17 a.m. | #

Anyone fancy a pint?

Burntweenie | 28.06.19 - 8:38 a.m. | #

I have been to that pub the General Eliott in 2017, sheltered from the rain while walking along the cana

YDU | 28.06.19 - 8:45 a.m. | #

Cultural factor at work too, maybe: high closures in areas where the population, for religious reasons, don't drink alcohol? Barking, Newham, Redbridge, maybe Waltham Forest.

David | 28.06.19 - 8:53 a.m. | #

The three boroughs with the highest proportion of Muslim & Buddhist residents are Tower Hamlets, Newham and Brent. Of these, only Newham is near the bottom of the pubs list.

But yes, Redbridge is number 4, and Barking and Dagenham is number 5.

diamond geezer | Homepage | 28.06.19 - 9:07 a.m. | #

I have drunk in the northernmost and the southernmost pubs in London. Perhaps I should now check out the ones to the east and the west.

MOTB | 28.06.19 - 9:08 a.m. | #

And does anybody know the oldest?

dg writes: Yes. Maybe.

Peter | 28.06.19 - 9:21 a.m. | #

I'm not sure if there's any *current* legislative force behind it, but there are a few large swaths of Sutton that were originally zoned as dry areas. For example, the entire area now called "Carshalton Beeches" and "Carshalton-on-the-Hill", and those aren't the only ones. Carshalton itself has a wealth of pubs.

dg writes: Five of Sutton's 18 wards have zero pubs: St Helier, Sutton North, Sutton South, Beddington South and Carshalton South & Clockhouse.

Chz | 28.06.19 - 9:32 a.m. | #

Discouragement. I think it would have had to be stronger than that - pubcos with an eye on profits would have had to have planning constraints. But I'd also expect that the effect of such constraints would have been hidden by now by differential closure rates. Fewer closures in underpubbed places.

Malcolm | 28.06.19 - 9:49 a.m. | #

Question remains which one(s) nominated for the annual DG readers gathering...?

Grumpy Anon | 28.06.19 - 10:09 a.m. | #

When I opened up the map it seems to only be showing pubs in more roughly eastern boroughs... anyone have the same problem?

Muzer | 28.06.19 - 10:30 a.m. | #

Good work, fascinating read.

Tower Hamlets has 154 pubs, but 92 of those are in the two wards (Canary Wharf / Spitalfields-Banglatown) that serve the City or the Wharf. So suggests it is workplace drinking that is keeping pubs alive.

IslandDweller | 28.06.19 - 11:27 a.m. | #

Those two wards have 35 pubs altogether, not 92.



But it is true that wards bordering the City financial district, plus Canary Wharf, contain about half of Tower Hamlets' pubs.

diamond geezer | Homepage | 28.06.19 - 11:59 a.m. | #

Brilliant resource.

I'm going to need to be doing some "Suggest an edit" clicking though as the positioning of three of my local pubs in Bow are incorrect i.e. Victoria, Morgan Arms, Palm Tree. The first two in particular are way off. Odd.

O | 28.06.19 - 12:44 p.m. | #

I'm finding the map less useful. If I look for pubs in Lewisham, it shows just 2 in the south of the borough. Similarly, Barnet seems to be almost bereft of any pubs.

I think I'll be sticking to https://whatpub.com if I need to find a pub.

However, when the need arises to find a skate-park, I'll know where to look.

MKIan | 28.06.19 - 12:45 p.m. | #

Many of the so-called 'pubs' are not pubs in the normal sense of the word : Fancy a pint down at "Chiquita Mexican Grill at the Dagenham Leisure Centre", anyone ?!

Barking Town Centre used to have one of the highest concentrations of pubs, but not any more....

Paul | 28.06.19 - 1:53 p.m. | #

David - Waltham Forest may have had some pubs close due to areas with a lot of non-drinkers, but others have opened in non-traditional premises. For example there's a pub in the former Leyton Town Hall, and in Walthamstow, the former EMD Cinema and a couple of brewery taps in an industrial estate.

martin | 28.06.19 - 3:04 p.m. | #

At least two of the 29 listed in Barking & Dagenham are now closed.

Paul | 28.06.19 - 4:46 p.m. | #

Does anyone else appreciate the symmetry of there being 12 Black Horses and 12 White Horses?

X-Plaistow | 28.06.19 - 5:00 p.m. | #

Five of the Queen's Heads are on High Streets - does that make them the most archetypal pubs?

martin | 28.06.19 - 5:15 p.m. | #

The section of the road I live on was book-ended by 2 large 1940s pubs - one is nearing the completion of 300 flats on the site and the other is demolished awaiting the building of flats!

What I hate is when I've used Google to plan a long canal walk that ends with a choice pubs, only to get there and find both have closed down, but not boarded up!

I think this will be a problem when we go through the area in the next couple of months as part of the Capital Chain route too - the website route page says this particular location boasts a variety of pubs. Not any more it doesn't!

Cornish Cockney | 28.06.19 - 5:36 p.m. | #

The Pipemakers Arms in Uxbridge is definitely to the west of the Eliott. They're very near each other but I'm surprised they have identical co-ordinates. They're further apart than the Eliott and the Dolphin across the canal so I suspect an error in the data. Not sure how we've managed to keep 3 pubs so close to each other,though they do each cater for different markets.

Andrew S | 28.06.19 - 10:05 p.m. | #

So you can use the map to zoom out then zoom right in and see individual house numbers for anywhere in Great Britain. Brilliant! (The Boundary Commission’s similarly helpful map disappeared a while after the end of their last Sisyphean consultation.)

Rich G | Homepage | 28.06.19 - 10:55 p.m. | #

What a great resource... and I have finally laid to rest a mistaken notion I had that somewhere in London existed a Kebab and Calculator, in honour of the fictitious one.

NickW | Homepage | 28.06.19 - 11:53 p.m. | #

DG. I agree with your analysis of the number of pubs around Canary Wharf.
My mistake was not to zoom in far enough - if you review it without zooming in enough it'll give you misleading numbers. My mistake for not going to enough detail

IslandDweller | 29.06.19 - 9:47 p.m. | #











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