please empty your brain below

Meanwhile, the very expensive New Roastmaster (neƩ New Bus for London) is having its sealed windows replaced, at great expense, because its air cooling wasn't properly tested and doesn't work properly.

And it runs the whole time on diesel because its expensive batteries weren't properly tested and don't work properly.

And it's lost its 'Hop On, Hop Off' Unique Selling Point because, predictably, the (non) conductors have been withdrawn.

And it still has the 'Happy Bus' three-door boarding so highly regarded by fare dodgers, the same system that helped to banish the Bendies to an early retirement by the sea in Brighton.

And the Dangleway is still running on empty at half speed from Nowhere North to Nowhere South, because no-one ever uses it as a form of transport.

Yup, London's Best Ever Bus (the original Routemaster) is far, far too expensive...
Does it stop at Bus Stop M?
You don't hold a consultation to find out what the public want -- you generally already know that. You hold a consultation to see if there's any relevant information that you don't already have. The kind of response that could change their mind is not "61% of the public are opposed to this", it's "the reduction in frequency will make it impossible for the sporting fixtures in our suburban leagues to continue to run, as people won't be able to get to the matches." Except that in this case the frequency of the service isn't actually being reduced, just the shape of the buses.
Well, then, maybe they should be more honest about the process so that fewer people waste time responding, and the everything can be streamlined.

"We don't particularly care what you think, as we have already costed this out and decided what to do, so unless you come up with a creative reason for us not to do this, don't waste your time responding."
@max
In general I think you're right - a consulation is "we're going to do this unless you have an actual showstopper". Occasionally politicians get involved (the "Wimbledon Loop" saga) and turn things rounds, but I have seen instances of this where it is evident that the councillors have simply counted the pieces of paper without considering the arguments contained therein (200 people deprived of a Saturday morning kickabut trumping 30 people who can't get a school place)

But it can work - I may not have been the only person who pointed out that the original DartCharge proposal,requiring payment for the Tunnel by midnight the same day, potentially could give a driver only two hours, late at night, to pay - charges apply for any crossings made before 10pm - but I still feel a small twinge of pride when I see the signs saying "pay by midnight TOMORROW"
Revamping Trafalgar Square into a roundabout produced such massive tailbacks that any chance of any route coming along the Strand keeping to time was completely destroyed; that's what ultimately killed off the 9H.
I contributed a few thousand words to the consultation on changes to bus routes along Finchley Road (A41) in North West London. https://consultations.tfl.gov.uk/buses/finchleyroad

In the event they got enough feedback or the right feedback to make them not introduce the changes.

It became a election issue the local constituencies, so the stated reason was that the consultation was timed to coincide with this year's general election.

My feedback on the changes included how to use the same reduced number of buses they wanted to use (a reason that they decided to obscure in the proposals) to provide better alternative services than they proposed.

I think consultation feedback that tries to solve the problems they perceive (even if you don't agree that they are problems) in innovative ways is a good way of deflecting bad plans.
@ Gerry - let's be accurate. No customer assistants have been withdrawn from NB4L routes. TfL only ever intended to run 220 crew operated buses and that's pretty much what runs. Route 11 starts a new contract imminently and has retained the same level of customer assistant coverage as now.

One problem with the Heritage Routemaster routes is that they have had extremely poor performance levels as low frequency services. Now there may be all sorts of reasons as to what the causes of that are but no operator is going to sign up to run a service at a stated level of performance if it considers it impossible in the light of prevailing traffic conditions. I therefore think the retendering of route 15H is what forced the issue of what frequency can run reliably and how much TfL want to pay given the need to refurbish the buses. Having a 100% spare vehicle coverage (10 buses when only 5 are needed for service) doesn't come cheap either.

I understand the attachment to the Routemaster but the Heritage routes were / are disproportionately expensive at a time when many other bus services were deprived of enhancements for years due to funding constraints.

@ Alex - the Finchley Rd proposals were pulled entirely as a result of the General Election and the political furore that followed in several marginal constituencies. I fully expect TfL to come along with revised proposals, aimed at achieving the same overall ends, at some point. The cost savings are probably too great to ignore plus it 'd take more buses out of Oxford St.

The inevitable "pedestrianise Oxford St" related bus changes will probably be the means to reduce frequencies on a vast number of routes serving Zone 1 including the Finchley Rd corridor.
The thing about the Finchley Road changes was that there was no additional capacity between Finchley Road Stn. and Golders Green, somehow the 82s which arrived packed in the mornings at Golders Green, and packed in the evenings at Finchley Road were supposed to take the traffic from the 13 without any additional capacity.

There is an issue about whether the Thameslink Stn. at West Hampstead is now a more important commuter destination than Finchley Road, of course if they can build a pedestrian link between Hackney Downs and Hackney Central, then there is no reason not to build one between Finchley Road and the Thameslink platforms at West Hampstead - the area between the two largely consists of car parking, the columns to support the walkway would only remove a handful of parking spaces, and be more useful to Londoners than another vanity project like the garden bridge.

Pedestrian link? Isn't it already possible to walk the reasonably direct route 10 minutes or so between Finchley Road and the West Hampstead stations? Perhaps some signposts would be in order?
And no, consultations are not there to ask the public whether they approve of the decision that has already been taken. They are there to check whether there might be a material consideration that has not been taken into account (rather rare, which is why consultation rarely changes the outcome), to tick the box about public consultation, and to enable them to say that people should have responded to the consultation when they complain about the changes later.
I understand the heritage Routemasters are to be 'defurbished', i.e. taken back to their 1970s condition.
And remember what an outstanding success that design was, out side London only one operator bought any, (Newcastle based Northern General), and they did not have open platforms...
@ Andrew and anonymous, there's already a pedestrian route between West Hampstead station(s) and Finchley Rd, it starts at Blackburn Rd and continues as a pedestrian footpath past the Sainsburys store.
Old Routemaster still did better outside London than it's 'replacement' then ;)
#Gerry

The first 250 or so original Routemasters had no opening front windows after that they decided to fit them.

The first 30 or so original Routemaster had faulty steering columns and had to be taken off the road for months to fix.

The early original Routemasters had poor automatic gearboxes which led to them being called "Jerkmasters"

The original routemaster which ultimately was argueably the best bus ever has teething troubles just as the NB4L has today.
OFF-TOPIC KLAXON
Arguably TfL begged the question of whether they should reduce the frequency of the buses (undermining it by already knowing the answer before they asked it), but this merely raises the question of whether it's worth responding to a consultation.
Amber - I think people should look at your suggested route between West Hampstead and Finchley Road on Streetview, and ask themselves if they would be happy for themselves or someone they care about using it at night or early morning.

Not only that but you spend a long while going round the block from the exit of Finchley Road Stn. only to find yourself when you reach the footpath only a few yards away from the northern end of the Finchley Road platforms.
Oh dear, oh dear. You just don't seem to get it. These days big companies run 'consultations' as a tick-box exercise to say that they have gone through 'the proper proceedings' before implementing any changes they have dreamt up.

They never, well, hardly ever, intend to listen to what people say about whatever the 'consultation' process might be.

Yes, I'm a cynic, but that's how it appears to work!
If you wanted to get from Finchley Road to West Hampstead, why wouldn't you just get the jubilee line? Or if you fancy a change of scenery, perhaps the overground to Finchley Road and Frognal?

In my opinion then best thing they could do with Finchley Road tube station would be to create a northern entrance directly into the o2 centre car park. Sainsburys may even be interested in paying some of the cost as it's currently a huge walk to the store from the station entrance. It could even be a relatively cheap way of making the station step free (footbridge and 3 lifts) than trying to completely rebuild the current entrance.
What has Finchley Road got to do with the 15H?!
We can see where this is going. 4 buses runnng in 2016 (reasonable perhaps). By 2017 it most likely be down to 3 (o.k better than nothing some may say). 2018 now we struggling so just have 2 (the warning signs of the end begin). 2019 yep, it just 1 (perhaps 2 on "special days"). 2020 the end.
@ Onthebus - I expect we will very soon [1] have the first "refurbed" Heritage RM on display to the media with a grinning Boris and smiling Mr Daniels. A decent slice of money is being spent on the buses to put them into a genuine "heritage" state and I can't see TfL wanting to write that off before at least 5 years is up. The only complication will be if the next Mayor demands the removal of the buses and TfL is unable to persuade them otherwise.

If you go to Tower Hill when there are reasonable numbers of visitors around (i.e. almost any day of the year!) you will see every w/b 15 bus completely beseiged by tourists. If nothing else the 15H does actually provide some valuable extra capacity from Tower Hill towards the West End as the buses start empty from Tower Hill. If the 15H was cancelled then TfL would have to do something about the loss of capacity from Tower Hill.

[1] new contract starts in a fortnight.
@ PC

Will the "refurb" include those cute little light bulbs? I'll be disappointed if not!
@ OnTheBus

And the wind-up windows. The replacement hopper ones look wrong, especially at the front: the Routemaster's happy 'face' needs the right eyelids !

And don't forget the tobacco-coloured ceiling, and the claret seat covers and interior detail...

BTW, shouldn't it be 'defurbed' ?

{/ klaxon}
PC, will the new contract include contactless acceptance on the 15H? As the heritage service is more for visitors/occasional travellers it's strange that it's Oyster only.
@Gerry

Oh absolutely. Maybe it should be refered to as a "retro-refurb"?










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