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I'm shocked and appalled ... by your proposal to close the Dangleway. Everything else sounds perfectly sensible.
Maybe also follow the Edgware Road singling approach at Paddington (one is nearly at Royal Oak anyway) and Hammersmith (creating the GR&C).
DavidC | 02.12.21 - 7:28 a.m. | #
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If this comes with service frequency reductions, I wonder if the jubilee line would have enough trains to take over the remaining met line services. Something like half hourly through services from Stratford to each of Watford, Stanmore and Uxbridge, giving a ten minute frequency as far as Wembley Park.
Gros Michel | 02.12.21 - 7:29 a.m. | #
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Just close the Uxbridge and West Ruislip branches - the local MP (a former Mayor of London) will probably not even notice or, if he does, spin it as an improvement, like he did the abandonment of HS2 east.
Timbo | 02.12.21 - 7:40 a.m. | #
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Indeed, I wonder what our current Prime Minister might have done, if he had remained Mayor of London after 2016.
Andrew | 02.12.21 - 7:45 a.m. | #
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The Victoria line between KX and Victoria could go too.
Anon | 02.12.21 - 7:48 a.m. | #
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Enough pussyfooting. London managed perfectly well without any sort of underground railway before 1863. That’s nearly 2000 years of not minding the gap. Just close the whole lot and let’s make Britain grate again.
Philip | 02.12.21 - 7:54 a.m. | #
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Another benefit of this is that the way it supports the Government's intent of narrowing the gap between London and the regions. Given recent announcements for the north, this appears to be the only way that intent will be realised.
Nick | Homepage | 02.12.21 - 8:22 a.m. | #
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This may have been written with tongue wedged in a cheek but it seems to me to be perfectly reasonable with one proviso, can the remaining network cope with the increased numbers? If so, fine and the added added health advantage of Londoners having to walk an extra hundred yards now and then, the poor darlings.
J. | 02.12.21 - 9:01 a.m. | #
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Brilliant. Would also solve the housing crisis, as so many people would be unable to reach their jobs they'd give up and return to the provinces whence they came.
Keith | 02.12.21 - 9:21 a.m. | #
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"Nobody needs it because it's never been there for them to need"
That's a fascinating philosophical point.
Joho | Homepage | 02.12.21 - 9:28 a.m. | #
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The SAVE THE DANGLEWAY campaign starts NOW!
Andrew Bowden | Homepage | 02.12.21 - 9:32 a.m. | #
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I do actually wonder if this simply is the government's plan. Put fares up, reduce services?
Why? Because cities like Manchester are making a lot of noise right now about having a London style service with London style fares. Cutting London's services and putting the fares up means they're "levelling up" Manchester. Yeah okay they'll actually levelling down London, but they'll be calculating that people in the north are like crabs in a bucket. If a single crab tries to escape the bucket, the other crabs drag it back down. The calculation will be if the North can't have a decent public transport system, then people will be thinking why should London.
Frankly I would be amazed and aghast if such conversations weren't going on in Whitehall. Because it's the kind of short sighted, ridiculous decisions certain governments are renowned for.
Andrew Bowden | Homepage | 02.12.21 - 9:36 a.m. | #
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You forgot efficiency savings. Just fire everyone who doesn't actually drive a train or sweep a platform. Nobody needs office staff, except perhaps someone to press the buttons on the payroll computer. Planning ahead is a luxury we don't need.
Malcolm of Kent | 02.12.21 - 9:44 a.m. | #
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they could sack all the drivers if all the trains were self-driving like the DLR - that would save a few pennies
Harry | 02.12.21 - 9:45 a.m. | #
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Can the Bakerloo Line be repurposed as a North-South cycle tunnel? That would be fun. Then the CrossRail tunnels can provide an East-West counterpart.
James | 02.12.21 - 9:46 a.m. | #
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I wonder if the '100 bus routes' includes the official withdrawal of the weekend only night buses, plus joining up more routes like there are proposing to do to remove the 168 and 271, for example the 73 and 476.
It wasn't that long ago that the Piccadilly only served Uxbridge in the peaks and the Bakerloo didn't run beyond Queens Park.
Still Anon | 02.12.21 - 9:48 a.m. | #
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Why save Watford and Chesham? It's transport for London, not transport for the home counties
Ian | 02.12.21 - 10:22 a.m. | #
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Today's post is a crayonista's paradise.
I think Crossrail needs to open. I believe it will mean the diversion of National Rail revenue to Tfl, so makes sense given Tfl's biggest problem is that it relies so heavily on farebox income. It would also mean more of the Central could be closed.
I applaud your attempt to rid the sub service lines of their complicated junctions however I thought that the island platform at Tower Hill was being changed so as to allow trains from the east to turn. That would be a better end to the H&C.
ap | 02.12.21 - 10:45 a.m. | #
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Also, TfL has a lot of pesky ROADS to maintain. There could be cost-savings there.
For example, one unnecessary link is the A4 all the way out to the London boundary. It has the M4 etc in parallel so let's close it and save money!
Bob L-S | 02.12.21 - 11:01 a.m. | #
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I recall from working in Harrow in the 1980s that Chiltern services don't serve Wembley Park - Harrow-on-the-Hill is the first stop out of Marylebone on that line. Another branch of Chiltern does however serve Wembley Stadium.
Ian Paton | 02.12.21 - 11:03 a.m. | #
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Public transport in England is expensive. All over the world public transport is heavily subsidised. Boris, stump up for TfL, and then have a look at absurdly expensive regional train travel. You need an app to find cheap train fares because that app can find much cheaper ways to make a same journey? Unbelievable! If you have to make a last minute train booking to be at your dying mother's bedside, you will pay three times as much than if you bought the ticket three weeks earlier. I just don't get it but I expect I should thank a Mrs Thatcher.
Andrew | Homepage | 02.12.21 - 11:14 a.m. | #
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A bit tongue in cheek but some of these ideas have merit. However, stopping New Cross services will have a nasty knock on as it takes a fair load of north/south commuting feeding from the SouthEastern lines. Without it, the DLR at Lewisham & Jubbly at North Greenwich become even more overloaded.
Andrew C | 02.12.21 - 11:26 a.m. | #
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I'll happily switch from the faster Met line to the slower Jubilee line - but only if they sort out the eardrum-shattering racket on it!
It's always such a relief to switch at Finchley Road for a quiet, spacious, walk-though, air-conditioned Met line train!
Cornish Cockney | 02.12.21 - 11:33 a.m. | #
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A comment on today's post from Reddit:
"That reads like erotic fiction for tories."
diamond geezer | Homepage | 02.12.21 - 3:05 p.m. | #
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Your plans also have the advantage of making the tube map much less cluttered. It's almost usable again!
Phil | 02.12.21 - 3:45 p.m. | #
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I imagine people thought 'leveling up' meant improving the transport system 'up north. To the government it means making London's network as bad as Manchester's ;)
Grumpy Chicken | 02.12.21 - 3:58 p.m. | #
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The only bits where I thought 'well that definitely can't happen' are the Dangleway closure and the cancellation of the Elizabeth line, both for political reasons.
But something is going to have to give. I can't be the only Londoner for whom working from home is now the norm. Either government starts funding TfL as befits a world city, or we'll need to accept it's ceased to be one.
Will | 02.12.21 - 4:55 p.m. | #
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Oh dear if the government see this they may pinch the ideas
Brian | 02.12.21 - 6:55 p.m. | #
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Quite a few of these cuts would have to be implemented as "parley" services (once a week/replacement bus).
I wonder how many drivers could be retained on short working with retaining and somrle natural wasteage
MilesT | 02.12.21 - 7:13 p.m. | #
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With all the trains cancelled, the Grid won't have a chance to charge all the Electric Cars that'll be foisted upon us. Gridwatch shows that some evenings the power stations are straining at the moment, forget all the extra loading of cars, The Liz Line and HS2.
Nick K | 02.12.21 - 8:44 p.m. | #
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NO NO NO, leave the Hammersmith and City line alone and leave it at Barking! That's my line to commute straight to Kings Cross from there!
And yes, as a Barking resident you'll not be surprised to hear me say, leave the GOBLIN alone too... :)
Ell | 03.12.21 - 7:32 a.m. | #
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Please not the Goblin line.
Many decades ago, before it became popular, I used this line as a daily commute. The passengers were so few that we knew each other by name! Even now it has the feel of an obscure rural branch line. And all the better for it. STOP DG FROM CLOSING THE GOBLIN LINE NOW!! Meet at Harringay Dog Track Sunday - bring your placards.
Ken Sable | 03.12.21 - 9:45 p.m. | #
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What's the opposite of a crayonista? An eraserhead?
Ronnie MB | 05.12.21 - 1:14 a.m. | #
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