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As you suggest, I simply cannot see the point of this map - especially for anyone south of the river. They need to publicise the "all modes" map, showing 'heavy' rail as well.
The inclusion of some trains (such as to Shenfield) but not others - just because tfl happen to manage that franchise - is relevant to no-one. (Except maybe some economist in a darkened room at the Treasury).
IslandDweller | 06.06.16 - 7:18 a.m. | #
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Actually there is an easy explanation.
The Bosses on High at TfL sent out an instruction: "Get More On!"
Unfortunately, they were misunderstood, and a person from marketing was duly found and put in charge.
Ham | 06.06.16 - 7:45 a.m. | #
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£100,000 to print twelve million maps, not much is it?
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Like you I went on a Tube map search at the end of last week and although I visited eighteen stations and three visitor centres all I could find was the old maps as well so I was glad to find its not only me that cant track them down.
Fishislandskin | 06.06.16 - 8:33 a.m. | #
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Still waiting for the day when this stops being called 'the tube map'.
And for the day that Thameslink re-appears through Central London like it used to be. Its omission is ridiculous for central London journey planning.
Andrew Bowden | Homepage | 06.06.16 - 9:10 a.m. | #
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Are you applying for the proofreading job?
South London Lad | 06.06.16 - 9:25 a.m. | #
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There are two schools of thought about the goal of total accuracy in proof-reading. One is that it will never be attained, mistakes will always slip past, and the answer is print-on-demand and never ever print 12 million copies of anything whatever.
The other is that if enough different people check a document, then the probability of errors slipping through can be reduced to lower than my chance of picking up a discarded big-win lottery ticket from the gutter outside my house.
Malcolm | 06.06.16 - 9:54 a.m. | #
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Of course, they could have just taken the line that the special fares which are applied to/from Morden just happen to be exactly those which would also apply to a station in zone 4.
Malcolm | 06.06.16 - 9:58 a.m. | #
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And now the race is on, to find and preserve samples of the scrapped paper map with Morden incorrectly identified. Collectors and dealers will want those, for completists and those who just want to make money from it. if you have one (or more), it'll be worth something very, very soon...
12m is one heck of a print run - is that the best use of restricted public funds, even if it is allegedly £100,000 (which would buy almost one third of a new hybrid double-decker)...
Joel | 06.06.16 - 10:19 a.m. | #
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Just remove the zones. They're irrelevant to this map.
The map is used for ad hoc journeys, and zones don't matter for these. Zones only matter for regular, season ticketed journeys, and people making those journeys don't need to use the map.
Steve | 06.06.16 - 11:00 a.m. | #
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Once, rather than pulp 12 million, they would have over-printed or added an Erratum slip.
Is it really not cheaper to overprint 'NB Morden is in Zone 4'?
John U.K. | 06.06.16 - 11:46 a.m. | #
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Why does the tram network get its own special fares zone, but Emirates doesn't? They've made a right mess of the zones with this one. 2/3 zone, what's that all about. And 3,4,5,4 as you go out towards Morden.
Rubbish job. Sorry.
Uncle Audrey | 06.06.16 - 12:26 p.m. | #
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It's almost like the fare structure is all a bit bonkers and needs completely re-writing/scrapping...
Andrew Bowden | Homepage | 06.06.16 - 12:34 p.m. | #
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But then this little change would give us an argument at Croydon to pursue East and West Croydon being moved to zone 4, as some of our politicians are already trying (or so they say).
Reena | Homepage | 06.06.16 - 1:02 p.m. | #
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Is it just me, or do people seem to never talk about bus maps anymore? So much fuss about the tube map all the time anyone would think that the only map published.
OnTheBus | 06.06.16 - 2:09 p.m. | #
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The pocket map is now too small print for me to use anyway, I much prefer accessing the maps on a smart phone screen. So why not just scrap the paper version completely!
Nicks | 06.06.16 - 2:28 p.m. | #
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I kind of liked the idea of Morden being in its own, unknowable nether-zone where normal ticketing rules no longer apply to mere mortals. But considering it's probably the *first* thing I noticed, after the trams, it is poor proofing.
Chz | 06.06.16 - 2:42 p.m. | #
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@Nicks
I'm sure people would prefer to have you humanely put down before they gave up the printed map.
B | 06.06.16 - 3:06 p.m. | #
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I think these tube maps need to be totally revisited in terms of what the aim of them is.
Clearly there needs to be a tourist map, and that should aim to let tourists get around the "London Tourist Zone" (i.e., it's a bit zoomed in and excludes the commuter zones outside Z3 unless there's a pertinent stop for tourist stuff). It should include Thameslink at the very least.
And then there is the Full Map. It needs to be on a bigger leaflet because it needs to show all of London, and at least what would qualify as a metro service in National Rail (south london loops, etc).
Why didn't they just print stickers with (Zone 4) on to stick on the poster they already printed.
Sykobee | 06.06.16 - 3:14 p.m. | #
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Because it would be far more time consuming, therefore expensive, to stick the sticker on an already printed leaflet than to reprint the whole run. I've worked in the print industry. The speed these things come off the presses/folding machine at is incredible.
Uncle Audrey | 06.06.16 - 3:18 p.m. | #
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Interesting to note generally with the Tube nowadays, compared to yesteryear, is the lack of 'Under Construction' lines we see; the Jubilee Line Extension appeared under construction on the map for five years before it officially opened, today we don't even have Crossrail appearing as a dashed line, let alone the Northern Line Extension or Barking Riverside.
Darren | 06.06.16 - 3:28 p.m. | #
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The major problem with putting Tramlink on a rail map is the implication that it can be used as part of a through journey (e.g. Kingston to Purley) at no extra cost. In fact, you are making 2 train journeys with a bus journey in the middle.
Stephen Bird | 06.06.16 - 3:38 p.m. | #
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"Sutton now appears for the very first time (with fractional thanks to Beddington Lane)."
Therapia Lane is also in LB Sutton.
LB Bexley will (just) appear on the Tube map at the end of 2018. The one remaining London borough will probably have to wait for Crossrail 2
timbo | 06.06.16 - 3:49 p.m. | #
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I must admit, I had a look at the draft and pointed out some errors to the powers that be, but didn't spot the Morden zonal issue. I'm just hoping they point the finger of blame at someone other than yours truly!
Thankfully, the National Rail symbol was moved to the correct 'Mitcham' station due to me spotting that error early on.
Rob Healy | 06.06.16 - 3:55 p.m. | #
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I recall a TfL consultation being abandoned because somebody forgot to put the apostrophe on King's Cross.
Andrea | 06.06.16 - 6:26 p.m. | #
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I did see a new map today with Morden in the correct place. it was the EB platform at Westferry on the DLR. It was not the tube map, per se, but the London Connections map with all the rail routes to/from/across London.
100andthirty | 06.06.16 - 8:57 p.m. | #
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"hang on, what's gone wrong with Morden?" is a rich topic for discussion all by itself.
Off topic, but I used to like the voice of the old station announcements on the tram circa 2002, sounded like Dennis Waterman. Why don't they have proper London accents on the transport network? NewYork's subway was very New York I seem to remember.
SJM | 06.06.16 - 10:58 p.m. | #
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Malcolm and Rob -
There may be a tipping point when too many people checking something increases the risk of errors because everyone thinks someone else will spot a mistake if they miss it, or because they just check their detailed area of interest/expertise and ignore the obvious. (and I wasn't shown this one, probably because I've been too critical of recent changes, so don't blame me!)
AS | 07.06.16 - 9:17 p.m. | #
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Stephen Bird commented:
"The major problem with putting Tramlink on a rail map is the implication that it can be used as part of a through journey ... at no extra cost."
Tramlink *CAN* be used for some through rail journeys. I'm not sure which, nor just how to find out.
I shall make enquiries.
DG wrote:
"sending embargoed missives to trusted media"
Press Releases are normally sent to untrusted media, too.
Kent Railman | 08.06.16 - 6:29 a.m. | #
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On the topic of maps displayed at tram stops, have the Tramlink network diagrams at the stops been updated to show Line 4 extended to Wimbledon yet? Because the online version (https://tfl.gov.uk/maps/track/tram) is still showing L4 ending at Therapia Lane, over two months after the change.
Greg | 08.06.16 - 1:18 p.m. | #
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