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Here in Preston we have Mafeking, Inkerman, Colenso, Kimberly, Raglan and a few others all in a clump of old style terraces.
Liam Pennington | 10.08.20 - 7:05 a.m. | #
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Leytonstone has Pretoria, Kimberley and Rhodesia Roads.
As the local history society dryly notes, it suggests the "developers were enthusiastic about Britain consolidating its domination of southern Africa."
martin | 10.08.20 - 7:30 a.m. | #
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Allenby Rd, Southall where i grew up is named for Lord Allenby; a veteran of the 2nd Boer war and WW1. Other local streets (Mansell, Someset may have connections too).
Steve Rees | 10.08.20 - 7:46 a.m. | #
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Southbury Road, Enfield has Mafeking Road, Kimberley Gardens and Ladysmith Road.
dg writes: Added, thanks.
On the entrance to the goods depot, there is a space above for what I assume is the railway company name, 'British Railways' doesn't look like it'll fit, although it could be the name of the depot itself.
Still Anon | 10.08.20 - 7:55 a.m. | #
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There were also campaigns in Sudan in the late 19th century and there are Khartoum Road and Dongola Road in Plaistow.
Sprout Eater | 10.08.20 - 8:02 a.m. | #
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There’s an odd clump in 1980s Beckton named after British aircraft - Concorde Drive, Valiant Way, Viscount Drive and (Falklands connection?) Harrier Way!
James Scantlebury | 10.08.20 - 8:19 a.m. | #
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I presume at one time there was some other text written above on that old Goods and Coal Depot. Needs a good paint if you ask me, but strange that they left it up. Mind you, the number of times a pub has been closed, the building converted to some use - or even demolished - and yet the old pub sign is still there, slowly fading away...
Like it's there to torment you about what you have lost...
Andrew Bowden | Homepage | 10.08.20 - 8:25 a.m. | #
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Upper Edmonton and Tottenham also have a Pretoria Road (technically Pretoria Road North at the Edmonton end) running alongside the railway line end emerging at White Hart Lane.
One of the side streets off of same, in the Tottenham section, is Durban Road.
Barry S | 10.08.20 - 8:28 a.m. | #
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Still Anon has beaten me to it - the Enfield batch are here: https://goo.gl/maps/DZsLs6P48az7izUy8
Nearby, there is also an Alma Road by Ponders End Station, which used to have a pub called "The Alma" - but the pub has gon the way of many locals.
Steve | 10.08.20 - 8:41 a.m. | #
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The 1851 census in Kentish Town listed a Raglins Lane as part of one of the enumerator's patches, but it was struck through. (The area was shacks and alleys to be redeveloped soon.) Your Raglan Street appeared on the maps about ten years later in near-enough the same place. It may commemorate the Crimea, but for this one there may have been earlier local inspiration.
Stuart | 10.08.20 - 8:46 a.m. | #
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Chelmsford rather than London, and WWII rather than Boer, but there is a post-war cluster there of St Nazaire, Cassino, Tobruk, Arnhem, Alamein and Salerno Roads and Ways, all of which are served by the Red Beret pub.
Will | 10.08.20 - 8:51 a.m. | #
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Nice of them to glorify wars on ordinary people overseas which led to millions of innocent citizens losing their lives at the behest of the British Empire
Marty | 10.08.20 - 9:01 a.m. | #
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There's information about Plaistow & West Ham Goods (that's what the depot was) at www.lner.info/forums.
The sign looks postwar to me, and I suspect that at the top it may well have said BRITISH RAILWAYS, in two shorter lines.
Betterbee | 10.08.20 - 10:07 a.m. | #
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I live just off an Alma Street in Sheffield. All the articles I can find about its construction say it was to be named Inkerman Street. Why they changed their mind once it was completed, and yet kept the Crimean theme, I have no idea. It also had a pub called The Alma which is still there but now called The Fat Cat.
Anders | 10.08.20 - 10:12 a.m. | #
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Back in the very early 80s, the London Borough of Brent acquired the Metropolitan Railway Goods Yard at Willesden Green. This was developed into flats and houses with the roads named after recently deceased musicians. Marley Walk, Lennon Road and Elvis Road. I've no idea why it wasn't Presley Road.
Mike | 10.08.20 - 10:14 a.m. | #
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Near my house is a pair of 1900ish semis called Spion Kop. And the name appears in Liverpool because that was a hill.
I don't understand why anyone would name anything other than a hill after a disastrous defeat for British forces.
mikeS | 10.08.20 - 10:20 a.m. | #
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In Melbourne Australia there are three prominent parallel main roads between the suburbs of St. Kilda and Caulfield which are named Alma, Inkerman and Balaclava. Smaller streets in the area include Crimea, Odessa, Raglan & Sebastapool. Balaclava is also a railway station.
RogerP | 10.08.20 - 10:40 a.m. | #
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What's the meaning of the crown on the Mafeking Road sign? It doesn't appear to be the Newham Council symbol.
TIA
dg writes: Unsurprisingly...
Cornish Cockney | 10.08.20 - 10:48 a.m. | #
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There is also a very short Raglan Road in Enfield, south of Bush Hill Park Stn., the 'obvious' Therapia is in Croydon because of the Therapia Lane Tram Depot.
Still Anon | 10.08.20 - 11:32 a.m. | #
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Another prominent Victorian naming trend particularly notable in Newham was to name streets after various big and medium name politicians of the day. Given how many names some of them had you sometimes get one politician spread out over multiple nearby streets - e.g. Randolph Road & Churchill Road, Hartington Road & Devonshire Road and there are even some commemorating (deep breath) Richard Temple-Nugent-Brydges-Chandos-Grenville the Duke of Buckingham & Chandos.
Tim Roll-Pickering | 10.08.20 - 12:20 p.m. | #
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I thought this was also an interesting quote re Victorian naming habits:
“Add to this the Victorian passion for regulating and bringing order by renaming streets and it becomes very difficult to trace an exact location in the past.”
Seems to echo your ‘The A-Z is not really a history book’ comment, DG.
PS Good to see you’ve also restored ‘order’ to your comment section today, entertaining as it was! You ‘outsource’ the moderation duties for one day.
Sam | 10.08.20 - 1:44 p.m. | #
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Thanks for the link to the map.. I've gone east to find what it looked like long before I was born there - full of farms and open spaces but a lot of those names used in the modern estates.
As always thanks for your interesting blog DG.
Dave B | 10.08.20 - 3:21 p.m. | #
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Flitwick has:
Goose Green
Falkland Close
Admiral Row
Trafalgar Drive
Jutland Court
Waterloo Close
Naseby Place
Minden Close
Darren | 10.08.20 - 5:56 p.m. | #
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There’s the East India Company generals in Addiscombe; Clyde, Elgin, Outram and Havelock to name but four. The land is where the East India Company trained its generals and possibly others.
ROBERT Butlin | 10.08.20 - 11:03 p.m. | #
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Growing up in Yorkshire, Mundania Road was simply (along with the strange-sounding neighbouring streets) where my London grandparents lived.And that was that.
H SE18 | 10.08.20 - 11:16 p.m. | #
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Vancouver has an Alma and a Balaclava within a few blocks, separated by a Waterloo, a Blenheim and a couple of non-battle streets. Dull but true. [map]
Wayne | 10.08.20 - 11:59 p.m. | #
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Putney has Modder Place and Bendemeer Road, from the Boer War.
And at a guess Cuba and Manila Streets on the Isle of Dogs can be dated to the Spanish-American War, for some reason.
There is a Plevna Street as well, but whether that's named directly from the Crimean War or from a ship built locally or some other connection, I wouldn't know.
Autolycus | Homepage | 11.08.20 - 7:36 a.m. | #
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In Clayhall, we have a group of 1930s semi-detached suburban streets named after English Civil War battles: Chalgrove [Field] Crescent, Cheriton Avenue, Edgehill Crescent (planned, not built), Marston [Moor] Road, Naseby Road, and Roundaway [Down] Road.
Alan S | 11.08.20 - 8:27 a.m. | #
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Odessa Road off Forest Lane E7 too!
Andrew Jarman | 11.08.20 - 12:38 p.m. | #
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In Eaton Socon, Cambs I lived in Beatty Road, off Nelson Road. Now in Stanmore Nelson Road is at one end of my Road. Beatty Road only has vehicular access from Nelson Road.
Mike Roberts | 11.08.20 - 6:59 p.m. | #
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