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This post brings to my mind when there were “public lavatories”. I can remember a number of times being on a bus when the driver has pulled up, not at a stop. They would then get out and “pop to the loo” as the conductor (remember those?) explained. Passengers understood and when the driver returned, made the usual remarks- “ that’s better, comfy now?” etc.👍🏻
Jo W | 20.02.22 - 7:27 a.m. | #
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To the residents of Biggin Hill: If you don't want a toilet for the sole use of the bus driver, can you all please arrange a rota for the drivers to use your own toilets please.
Selfish *&%$$*&£##
Jon Jones | 20.02.22 - 8:07 a.m. | #
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This level of toilet provision for staff is quite unique to London. Other places rely on there being a central facility, even if the routes operate cross-town and don't terminate there. It's not uncommon for there to be no facilities at all though.
Bus person | 20.02.22 - 8:10 a.m. | #
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A very revealing insight - I can't imagine the insides of those steel kiosks are very salubrious! Much more healthy would be the open air set-up as at Vauxhall Bus Station.
cau1khead | 20.02.22 - 9:27 a.m. | #
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Much as I enjoy the mild feeling of jeopardy when using the Vauxhall facility, drivers do need to sit down too.
If they made the boxes actually look like a Tardis, then it would be problem solved.
NickW | 20.02.22 - 9:59 a.m. | #
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You can be sure all TfL staff in offices have nice loos that they can readily access at any time. Similar issues happen here with our tram system. Tram drivers become masterful at five hour urine retention.
Andrew | Homepage | 20.02.22 - 10:46 a.m. | #
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It would serve the residents of Biggin Hill right if TfL decide to plant a lot of bushes for drivers to use instead!
But it's not just drivers - facilities are dire everywhere and it's not uncommon to encounter human turds in the most public and residential of places now.
As a walker I just don't drink, other than the odd sip now and again over several hours to avoid this very problem. As a lady of a certain age I'm not about to squat in a bush - it would be a disaster!!
Cornish Cockney | 20.02.22 - 11:28 a.m. | #
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I assume everyone knows that McDonalds provides the finest toilets worldwide, and frequently 24 hours per day. Just need to see which bus routes pass a branch.
Rob Gullen | 20.02.22 - 11:31 a.m. | #
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Mcdonald toilets are good. But a few of them are restricted to customers only.
Malcolm of Kent | 20.02.22 - 1:38 p.m. | #
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No doubt the metal "turdis" is cost effective relative to a custom built provision that would fit more subtly into places like Melody Road.
It seems people are all for cost effective public services until they're directly affected, at which point they moan that they're not gold plated.
TfL can't win.
Paul | 20.02.22 - 2:19 p.m. | #
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For safety reasons, drivers cannot leave their buses unattended whilst passengers are on board. So facilities on line-of-route, other than at terminal points, cannot usually be used.
Stuart R | 20.02.22 - 2:31 p.m. | #
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TfL should have immediately withdrawn the R2 from Biggin Hill as punishment to those selfish nimbies, terminating the short elsewhere.
Joe | 20.02.22 - 2:49 p.m. | #
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The safety reasons may be centred on the way most buses do not have a key which the driver can take away to prevent a passenger or passer by from driving it off. Coaches do have one.
At a fairly small cost (per bus) this could be rectified.
Malcolm of Kent | 20.02.22 - 3:23 p.m. | #
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I expect most of the residents would be delighted if Tfl did that!
Andy V | 20.02.22 - 3:23 p.m. | #
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TfL could just give them a dark green matt vinyl wrap to help them disappear (slightly).
Ian | 20.02.22 - 4:29 p.m. | #
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You regularly used to see Green Line buses parked outside the public toilets on Rocks Lane in Barnes. Passengers happily still on board while the driver wasn't. Not sure which went first, the toilets or the RF buses.
ap | 20.02.22 - 6:36 p.m. | #
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Just axe the route to Biggin Hill - Jobby not Done then!
Andrew Jarman | 20.02.22 - 10:01 p.m. | #
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Forestdale gained and then lost its Tfl loo due to pressure from local residents. One plan was for a local route, 351,between Addington Interchange and Forestdale, another was to run dead back to Addington if required rather than standing in Courtwood Lane. The chosen solution was for all buses to have a four or five minute hesitation at Addington towards Forestdale to use the facilities at the interchange.
Alan JS | 20.02.22 - 10:32 p.m. | #
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Fascinating, the sort of problem as a passenger I would never have considered before reading this.
I imagine the people who vandalised the Biggin Hill toilet never use the bus anyway, so withdrawing the bus would punish the wrong people
Mikey C | 20.02.22 - 11:26 p.m. | #
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Whilst I understand the need, it’s not helpful when you read that talk are spending £6m quid on toilets only staff can use at the same time as the6 are pleading broke.
Save | 21.02.22 - 3:40 a.m. | #
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This may be why so many bus routes used to terminate at pubs (from horse-drawn days onwards, when animals also needed a ‘rest stop’).
The post also highlights the general problem of the almost complete absence of public lavatories in London now, which is a particular problem for many older people. It’s not just bus drivers who might need to stop on a slow cross-town journey, and there’ve been several occasions when I’ve had to leap off a bus to dive into a department store or similar and use the facilities.
Labourer | 21.02.22 - 7:57 p.m. | #
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