please empty your brain below

is it a Heritage site?

Have at you, I've got two castles. TWO.

What an intersting post this is. I found one near me, Alderstead Fort, a crumbling reminder of the 13 forts constructed on the North Downs during WW2 for the defence of London. Do you think the modern young people really care about saving all these buildings? I think they are more interested in visting Ikea, clubbing or playing their Wii's!

There's eleven Heritage At Risk sites in Hertfordshire and a further four in Enfield. These include a fragment of Theobalds Palace near Cheshunt, Langleybury House in Abbots Langley, and an an ornamental urn (is that all?) just outside Trent Park. No bollards though, unfortunately.

English Heritage are a complete joke and really should not be taken seriously. A gang of yobs could probably do a better job at protecting our heritage than them. They spend most of their time, money and power trying to stop excellent cutting-edge architecture from being built in London, rather than preserving old architecture. They will spend months and months debating over whether a building should be 178 meters high or 179 meters high. Ask any architect who has tried to get anything interesting built in London, and they will tell you how much crap they had to put up with from English Heritage. They are loathed by virtually all architects around the world who care about London. They are naively petrified of anything remotely modern or tall to the point where it's actually embarrassing.

They didn't want the Gherkin to be built, because they thought it would ruin our city. In 100 years time though, they will no doubt be campaigning to preserve it. They've got a lot of power over what gets built in London and what doesn't and honestly they have not got the slightest clue what they're doing with it. They'd rather see boring and chunky groundscrapers clog up the London skyline, rather than have something amazing and inspiring built like The Shard, because they only care about preserving their precious little sight lines of St. Pauls from numerous hills in South London which nobody goes to to view St. Paul's from anyway. Someone needs to give them a good dose of reality because we are not living in the 1800's anymore.

Wow, Bow really is a crap hole, I thought Wembly was bad !

dg writes: Some of Bow is pretty grim, but not all. Ditto Wembley, I suspect.

And who designed Stroudley Walk, who designed all the vanished tower blocks of East London,who designed all the rubbish that will last 20 years and be pulled down? Architects with ARIBA after their names no doubt.They draw their money and move on, but not I suspect move into the buildings they designed.

You're missing the point, felix.

You have to ask "where were English Heritage when these monstrosities were being built?".

Don't be so scared to embrace new architecture just because some mistakes were made in the 50's and 60's. If we have that attitude, then we'll never build anything new or interesting again. Remember that when St. Paul's Cathedral was built, it was originally hated by many and widely criticized. The English Heritage of the time would have wanted it demolished. During construction, Wren even had to hide the dome with scaffolding to make it appear like they were building a spire.

Personally, I actually quite like a lot of East London's tower blocks and estates. Most of them are bad, but there are quite a few of considerable merit which I think should be protected. Like the Victorian Terrace, the Council Estate has become a part of our own heritage too now, and it's too late to deny or erase that. People look at the standard of life in these places and then criticize the buildings for it, when in fact they lack proper maintenance and support from local authorities. 100 years ago, the old brickhouses surrounding Brick Lane and Christ Church Spitalfields were dilapidated slums and even up to the 60's, you couldn't have given away those houses for free. They came close to being demolished because people looked at them in the same way that we now look at estates and tower blocks. Luckily they were saved and restored, and now there are people willing to pay millions to live in them.

Nobody will ever pay millions to live in Stroudley Walk. It is a godforsaken dump, whatever hopes its post-war planners may have had. At least they tried. But we wish they'd tried harder.

Also, every year EH continues to give support to the construction of endless genuinely crap, bland and uninspiring buildings in London, while trying to cancel proposals of real quality and merit. All they seem to care about is height limits and sight lines. This is why we end up with so much bulky groundscrapers and bland, boring, inoffensive architecture now. People are too afraid to take risks, and if they do then they're lucky to get past EH.

I think that it's good to have quality control and in a way EH having a tight grip on things is supposed to achieve this, but ultimately they have got their priorities completely skewered too often. I feel that their needless worrying and lack of vision is holding London back from it's potential as the leading world city for architecture

"Nobody will ever pay millions to live in Stroudley Walk. It is a godforsaken dump, whatever hopes its post-war planners may have had. At least they tried. But we wish they'd tried harder."

I didn't say they would, and no, I don't believe they ever will either.

Look at Keeling House in Bethnal Green though, only recently just another squalid block of flats, it's now been renovated and is arguably one of the finest pieces of architecture in East London. People are also quite happy to pay a lot of money for a flat there too.

Stroudley Walk is a bad example, and it's painting the argument black and white. There are plenty of quality post-war and brutalist structures in London which should be protected, regardless of whether they're a "dump" or not. At the end of the day many of these structures have been in a state of neglect from the local authorities for ages, and that has taken a drastic toll on their image. It doesn't mean that they are beyond repair or that we need to demolish them to get rid of the problem.

Amazingly, more than 100 people have looked at my photo of an endangered bollard.

One has only to look at the way English Heritage 'manage' the properties in their care cf how the National Trust manage theirs to know what a shambolic organisation they truly are.

Anyone who has ever tried to do any sympathetic work on even a Grade II house they own will know there is truth in what Blackstock says.











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