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That Dangleway (probable) scam deserves wider coverage.
Your portrayal of pub conversations seems set in a hazy retro Two Ronnies era. Do you intend to give a collective title to the several grumpy posts in recent times?
Frank F | 19.03.22 - 7:25 a.m. | #
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Oh, I do hope that "grumblefodder" takes off. Erst kommt das Fressen, dann kommt die Moral.
MartinG | 19.03.22 - 7:45 a.m. | #
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'but that is a very unlikely chain of events' - bit like the Kings Cross fire or a piece of bone from a cow derailing a train in Scotland.
West Ham - I expect it's some activist moaner endlessly going on at staff about a problem they have no control over.
Still Anon | 19.03.22 - 7:56 a.m. | #
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They’re called e-unicycles? Did not know that. There’s a family of four around the corner who each have one. When they all set off on a trip together it’s quite a sight, especially when they’re all lit up at night.
Kevin | 19.03.22 - 8:04 a.m. | #
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The lack of toilet facilities on the underground is a national disgrace and I think that it deserves an in depth investigation by DG.
fishislandskin | 19.03.22 - 8:26 a.m. | #
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An e-scooter fire may be an unlikely chain of events but it happened here If you look at the video, the burning scooter was chucked off the train onto an open air platform, yet a lot of smoke was already fogging up the train interior. In enclosed situation people would have been choking on toxic fumes very quickly. Some sort of signage is needed.
NickW | 19.03.22 - 8:40 a.m. | #
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I tried the Dangleway once. There were a lot of staff outside answering questions about tickets & prices as walked about trying to work out where to go to pay.
If you need a lot of staff to answer these questions your signage has clearly failed.
Jon Jones | 19.03.22 - 8:45 a.m. | #
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still anon - I suspect that dropping dog ends down the sides of escalators was probably quite commonplace ... what was rare was it actually leading to a major fire. Tho in light of Nick W's comment, that may be splitting hairs. But ... loads of other, non-banned things (laptops?) have lithium batteries too.
Sarah | Homepage | 19.03.22 - 9:25 a.m. | #
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Normally agree with everything you say but you are wrong regarding e-scooters. I work on the DLR and the other day had 5 e-scooters board. NickW absolutely right the consequences of a fire on board, especially in a tunnel, would be catastrophic and possibly deadly. More, permanent, larger signage is needed.
BethnalD | 19.03.22 - 9:52 a.m. | #
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Sarah - good point about other items having lithium batteries. I suspect a LOT more laptops are carried on the tube than E-scooters.
However, good luck Tfl trying to ban laptops...
Agent X | 19.03.22 - 9:54 a.m. | #
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Ah, there's nothing like a good moan to set yourself up for the day!!
Cornish Cockney | 19.03.22 - 10:06 a.m. | #
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Laptops take only a small trickle of current, not much heat involved.
Scooters take several amps.
Joho | Homepage | 19.03.22 - 10:14 a.m. | #
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I used to be able to pop over to tut at the Dangleway every lunchtime. They really do manage to overcomplicate something that should be very simple.
On the e-transport front you might expect e-bikes also to be banned, but I gather they are generally better made (not churned out to cater for a sudden craze) so the battery and associated circuitry are rather safer. Still hard to see how something can be so badly made that it catches fire when it's not even being used.
Andrew S | 19.03.22 - 10:18 a.m. | #
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Today's opening two paragraphs perfectly sum up my existence. And I didn't even know e-unicycles were "a thing"!
cau1khead | 19.03.22 - 10:42 a.m. | #
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If you’ve ever worked behind a counter or as an usher/receptionist or similar in a public venue, you’ll know how rude and unpleasant some members of the public can be, because they assume you’re an inferior being who can be abused with impunity. So I’d suggest sparing a thought for the West Ham station staff, who’ve probably had to put up with years of abuse about the lack of loos, probably made their concerns known to their managers and then been comprehensively ignored by TfL in doing so. Yes, of course passive-aggressive signage is moan-worthy, but the fault lies at TfL’s door. The lack of public loos across London in general and the Underground in particular is a major frustration, but the people on the receiving end of ferocious complaints aren’t the culprits!
Labourer | 19.03.22 - 11:48 a.m. | #
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I wonder if the Dangleway signage is related to sponsorship. Perhaps they don't want to print up new signage until they see if they can secure a sponsor?
Greg | 19.03.22 - 11:49 a.m. | #
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Some people are modding their e-scooters for greater performance - so what was safe out of the factory may not be what is on the streets.
My work involves me going in and out of station barriers often within seconds or a few minutes, I used to get numerous oyster maximum fares sometimes on the same day but I've not had one for several years so maybe the system has been modified.
Surbitonian | 19.03.22 - 12:09 p.m. | #
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Before the signs were up I saw plenty of eScooters and the odd e-Unicycle being carried on the tube.
They do have much larger and higher powered batteries than laptops too.
Again, we're back to the issue that these things are legal to advertise, sell and buy, but not legal to actually use unless you're in possession of a vast country estate.
High time to regulate them properly or ban their sale altogether.
Paul | 19.03.22 - 5:12 p.m. | #
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Perhaps the passage way at Wembley Park could have some old posters and photos stuck on the walls and be renamed 'The Wembley Park Transport Museum'.
popartist | 19.03.22 - 7:33 p.m. | #
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There is a hidden toilet at West Ham available to the shop staff , it’s the silver door to the right of the Barriiers as you walk out
Under lock and key of course
Bruce Wayne | 20.03.22 - 6:50 a.m. | #
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West Ham station used to have a very handy toilet outside the station by the shop. Unfortunately it disappeared a few years ago.
Rob Healy | Homepage | 20.03.22 - 8:14 a.m. | #
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The problem with escooter is that there are no minimum legal safety standards because they are not legal to use in the UK. There is a considerable difference between the build quality of the rental escooters compared to the ones sold on the internet.
Unlike laptops they have larger battery, have had the battery stood on the way to the station, jolted up and down curbs and pot holes so the chance that on arrival at the station the battery is damaged is much higher.
Jon | 20.03.22 - 11:47 a.m. | #
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Seems like Jon and others have got the direct hazards from an escooter pretty well covered, though perhaps it could also be suggested that if there was a real emergency which necessitated passengers vacating a carriage in a hurry (possibly in the dark), it'd only take for one of these to be abandoned on the floor for people to be tripping and falling in the rush to get out
RogerW | 20.03.22 - 12:10 p.m. | #
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You’re right Roger, and for the same reason we should also ban pushchairs, and maybe even bulky suitcases, unless that’s also a ridiculous over-reaction.
Verity | 20.03.22 - 12:47 p.m. | #
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e-unicycles?
We've left the e-u :)
Leaver | 20.03.22 - 1:13 p.m. | #
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And you're probably right, too, Verity. I'm no expert because I'm not a tube user: I probably know as little about them as TfL seem to know or care about motorbike users
RogerW | 20.03.22 - 3:33 p.m. | #
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"Obviously you don't want someone e-scooting down a platform because that's really dangerous" ... I saw just that at Mile End on Saturday morning - an e-scooter rider weaving his way through the passengers on the eastbound District line platform.
Alan S | 21.03.22 - 9:20 a.m. | #
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There was an incident where an e-scooter was left at a Jubilee Line station a couple of years ago. It was put into the supervisor's officer to await transfer to the lost property office the next day if unclaimed. The office was totally gutted because the battery spontaneously went up in flames. Not on charge or anything; these are very high energy density batteries and they get a lot of vibration and abuse from the small diameter wheels - many scooters don't even have pneumatic tyres to help cushion vibrations, let alone suspension. Mind you last night I saw some idiot riding on along a station platform; overground - but still...
Uncle Audrey | 20.05.22 - 1:59 p.m. | #
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