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Everton were last outside the top flight in 1953, a longer spell than any team other than Arsenal, while Man utd were relegated in 1974.
Ian | 03.08.20 - 7:14 a.m. | #
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Unusual for DG to use bold text that are neither for hypertext nor titles. Must be due to the new UI.
dg writes: incorrect assumption
Jeremy | 03.08.20 - 7:23 a.m. | #
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Growing up on Merseyside, I chose to support Liverpool because my kid brother supported Everton - and yes, I still support them. Thanks for the analysis.
Liz | 03.08.20 - 7:44 a.m. | #
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Does your measure of top 4 placings gaining a place to Europe take account of changing rules on eligibility for the European competitions or the banning of English clubs from European competitions between 1985 and 1990?
dg writes: No, it's just a top 4 placing.
James | 03.08.20 - 8:23 a.m. | #
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Found it less stressful supporting one of the also-rans (the Canaries). Losing is less painful when the expectation of a win isn't there.
At least they were always contenders for the fair play award.
Putters | 03.08.20 - 8:31 a.m. | #
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Average league position is a fascinating one. This alltimeleaguetable.co.uk/ covers the last 125 years and shows Liverpool and Arsenal at the top even over that period.
Not good reading for Sunderland fans though.
Will | 03.08.20 - 9:11 a.m. | #
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As a fellow Arsenal fan, now pleased he hadn't done his usual practice of betting against them on Saturday, I am surprised that you haven't pointed out the amazing statistic that they have won the last 7 finals in which they have played and, indeed, have a 90% success rate over the past 40 years. The other particularly interesting stat, or rather stats, that you have highlighted is just how evenly matched Liverpool and Man Utd have been on all measures over the past half century, other than of course in Europe.
J. | 03.08.20 - 9:11 a.m. | #
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My allegiance was similarly forged at the age of 10, and the 1975 cup final, when I was inducted as the third generation (on my mother's side) of West Ham supporters. My interest in following the game waxes and wanes but it has provided a topic on conversation over the years. Sorry about 1980 dg.
Sarah | Homepage | 03.08.20 - 9:32 a.m. | #
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The four year old changed his allegiance a few years later to a 'less successful' team but has had many years of more active support and has physically been to both their cup final appearances - both lost - and witnessed a few very enjoyable victories against the teams in red.
bblb | 03.08.20 - 9:39 a.m. | #
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Thankyou for confirming how tedious the situation is amongst the so-called elite clubs of the Premiership. I was unable to escape the vice-like grip of Arsenal even when living in Cardiff, as they played in finals there at least once whilst Wembley was being re-built. It turned out my Welsh-speaking next door neighbour had a boy-friend who was a die-hard Arsenal supporter and the house was filled with his fellow-fans for the entire weekend of the final(s).
Cau1khead | 03.08.20 - 10:22 a.m. | #
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My 1-year-old failed to sleep on Saturday night, so I spent three hours walking him around Islington on Sunday morning in his buggy where he sleeps best.
As well as the various parks, the best place to walk this distance is the Emirates, a large, looping, flat area without noisy traffic.
This weekend's orbits featured rather more empty champagne bottles than usual, and I'm glad that my local club managed a success at the end of a transitional season.
I've felt a connection to Arsenal ever since childhood trips into London provided a great view of Highbury, even is my son has been allocated the other half of your split, with fanatical Liverpool fans on his mother's side!
TomH | 03.08.20 - 10:50 a.m. | #
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Congratulations on another cup win, DG. In retrospect, perhaps best to spurn the Hornets, although this sort of attachment seems to be based more on emotion than statistics (and as for the ticket prices...). It was quite inspiring, standing at the losing end last year, as the supporters celebrated the team for the achievement of getting to the final for the first time in 35 years, even if they were being slaughtered on the pitch. Pity it went so bad this year: downhill all the way after coming back to beat Wolves in the semi-final, although the ground looks an awful lot better after some Premier League money has been invested in it.
Andrew | 03.08.20 - 10:54 a.m. | #
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Arsenal have never left the top tier.
Paul Parkinson | 03.08.20 - 11:12 a.m. | #
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I became an Arsenal supporter after a one week stay at my cousin's house back in the early 70's ('71 or '72, can't remember which). My uncle was a season ticket holder for years. Both my cousins still go to games.
Jackal | 03.08.20 - 11:15 a.m. | #
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Born close to Tottenham, but having developed a reputation as a youthful contrarian, I too selected Arsenal as my team during the 70-71 season. Your interesting analysis demonstrates why I have had few reasons to regret my decision. COYG!
Frank F | 03.08.20 - 11:27 a.m. | #
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If you picked a team in 1981...
Most Cup Final Wins: Arsenal
Most League Titles: Man Utd
Best Average Position: Man Utd
Most Matches Won: Man Utd
Most Goals Scored: Man Utd
If you picked a team in 1991...
Most Cup Final Wins: Arsenal
Most League Titles: Man Utd
Best Average Position: Man Utd
Most Matches Won: Man Utd
Most Goals Scored: Man Utd
If you picked a team in 2001...
Most Cup Final Wins: Arsenal
Most League Titles: Man Utd
Best Average Position: Man Utd
Most Matches Won: Man Utd
Most Goals Scored: Arsenal
Not a Liverpool in sight.
diamond geezer | Homepage | 03.08.20 - 12:13 p.m. | #
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Being a West London person I was backing Chelsea, and for tomorrow Brentford as it is nearer to my home.
Although my main interest tomorrow will be on England in the one day cricket.
John | 03.08.20 - 12:25 p.m. | #
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Having watched the game on Saturday, I'm sure the Aresnal players though the Empire Pool still existed the amount of diving they were doing
Paul | 03.08.20 - 1:48 p.m. | #
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Gawd! Not more football!!!
Southern Heights (Light Railway) | 03.08.20 - 2:50 p.m. | #
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Thanks for including Watford in your round up even though we have just been relegated from the Premier League. I had to support them as I was born in the town just after the Second World War. When I was a boy you supported the team from your birth town or the next nearest place. No champagne or prawn cocktail fans around then.
Tones | 03.08.20 - 3:25 p.m. | #
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Yes Tones, I was born in Old Trafford. Watched the Busby Babes with my Dad and Grandad. My son, born in Huntingdon, living in High Wycombe asked me who he should support. I said Wycombe as it was his local town, but as he was my son he could reasonably chose United, which he did. He's a more avid supporter than I ever was.
Mike Roberts | 03.08.20 - 6:59 p.m. | #
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First posting I haven't bothered to read in years.
HC | 03.08.20 - 7:37 p.m. | #
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I'm another regular reader who didn't bother with today's post. I lived near the Arsenal ground for a few years in the early 70s, and I needed to know when they were playing at home, though I had no interest in football, so that I could avoid Arsenal station and use another which was further away but would be much less busy.
Then walking home at about closing time could be really unsafe for me, if they'd won they would have celebrated, if they'd lost they'd have drunk to drown their sorrows, either way there were lots of drunks on the streets after closing time.
Double parking was allowed in the surrounding streets, my visitors with cars might get hemmed in if they were already there. Police would move the offending vehicles to let my friend out, on one occasion the policeman borrowed a spoon from me and showed us how to break into a car and move it on.
All this meant that I went from having no interest in football to being extremely anti-football, and resolved never to live near any football ground ever again.
Sorry dg but I don't read football related posts.
amber | 03.08.20 - 9:13 p.m. | #
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In the rare event of a football related post, there's always an inevitable comment from someone to say they haven't read the post, and have no interest in it, as they don't like football.
Tom | 03.08.20 - 11:12 p.m. | #
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