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Another very enjoyable read dg; and a great topic to boot!
Rob Healy | 13.02.17 - 7:12 a.m. | #
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That's quite the pedantic tease at the end - and exactly why I come here!
martin | 13.02.17 - 7:20 a.m. | #
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Classic DG material, enjoyed it very much.
Waterhouse | 13.02.17 - 7:35 a.m. | #
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Does E10 1... come before E1 0AA?
ian | 13.02.17 - 7:45 a.m. | #
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ian - this is an excellent question, and will be important tomorrow.
The key rule for alphanumeric sorting is that spaces come before numbers, so E1_ beats E10.
diamond geezer | Homepage | 13.02.17 - 7:47 a.m. | #
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I'm overseas at the moment - have been for four months and will be for another two. Thanks for this wonderful slice of London - a classic DG post.
Marc | 13.02.17 - 7:55 a.m. | #
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Looking forward to tomorrow's post. Sounds like the sort of topic that'll get Londonist tweeting about it for years...
Dan | 13.02.17 - 8:11 a.m. | #
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Are we allowed to speculate on sortings, other than "alphabetically speaking"? Chronological? Geographical?
Andrew | 13.02.17 - 8:12 a.m. | #
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If you are interested, Liberata UK's offices on Wood Street here: link Looks like parts of the same building are available, if you can afford £50psf. Wonder what rents are like in Whitechapel, or indeed near Temple.
Andrew | 13.02.17 - 8:20 a.m. | #
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Are we allowed to speculate on...
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dg writes: Comments about tomorrow's post may be muted.
Joachim | 13.02.17 - 8:21 a.m. | #
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I would have described things like "any letter comes before any number" or "spaces come before numbers" as conventions, rather than rules. Having said that, DG is free to choose which convention he wishes, and to call it a rule if he wishes.
I think the space in the middle is decreed to be an integral part of a postcode, so that probably is a rule, even though Mr TomTom does not follow it, and runs all his postcodes together.
Another fascinating post, and occurrences of unexpected things like this are one of the ways DG brightens up so many mornings.
Malcolm | 13.02.17 - 8:34 a.m. | #
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Love it.
AliE17 | 13.02.17 - 8:34 a.m. | #
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When, a million years ago, I worked as a post office counter clerk, there was a distinction between SW1 and Battersea, in that they were different postal groups operating from different sorting offices. I don't know whether that has now changed, having left my memory of postal matters behind after seven years, but at the time that was a significant distinction. Of course now mail is organised around different business hubs, bigger and with more mechanisation, I suspect.
Brian | 13.02.17 - 8:37 a.m. | #
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I did a proper double take when I saw the photos accompanying your tweet for this post this morning. Pretty much my whole life up to the age of 18 (that is in 1981) revolved around that church and its adjoining schools.
Joan | 13.02.17 - 8:37 a.m. | #
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Top stuff, look forward to Tuesday.
Kevin | 13.02.17 - 8:41 a.m. | #
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I used to work on software that validated and sorted postcodes and the EC1A type postcodes could often cause problems because people would (wrongly) assume that a postcode always started with 1 or 2 letters followed by 1 or 2 digits followed by a space. But EC and WC are the only ones that are an exception to this.
I can also remember that the Bridge of Don area of Aberdeen is alphabetically the first in the country. I wonder if DG will be visiting there!
Jon Combe | 13.02.17 - 8:50 a.m. | #
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Great stuff.
Can I be first to suggest a follow up for the first and last in the UK? I think that means Aberdeen and the Shetlands.
Eric | 13.02.17 - 9:24 a.m. | #
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(apparently not the first now that I've seen Jon's comment.)
Eric | 13.02.17 - 9:25 a.m. | #
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@Joan
The church at E1 0AA appears in the 1963 film 'Sparrows can't sing'. The area has changed somewhat since then.
dg writes: See photo 18 here (and hover over the photo for a modern view).
Richard | 13.02.17 - 9:26 a.m. | #
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Thank you Richard and dg for the link. It's a long time since I've watched Sparrows Can't Sing (these days I live in Stratford and pretty much daily walk past the Joan Littlewood statue outside the Theatre Royal). I hadn't realised you could see Mary's and Michael's in it. I always associate the film with the now demolished Wickham House. I grew up on the thirteenth floor of the identical Latham House which was the centrepiece of the neighbouring Mountmorres estate and which still stands. We lived there for sixteen years from 1963 to 79 when we were rehoused by the council in a low rise block off Cable Street. So many changes in E1, not least that posh people live there now!
Joan | 13.02.17 - 10:11 a.m. | #
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@ John Combe
It's not just EC and WC that are exceptions, e.g. there are postcodes starting SW1P and SW1W, and there used to be GIR 0AA for Girobank.
Gerry | 13.02.17 - 10:13 a.m. | #
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18 years on and folks still can't get their head round E1W being a London postcode, I had someone query it last week as I placed an order!
The building site behind Temple used to be the home of Anderson Consulting before it became Accenture following the Arthur Anderson scandal. Went for an interview there.
And I had school friends I'd visit living in that terrace in Lukin Street.
E1W-er | 13.02.17 - 11:03 a.m. | #
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[Off-topic] @ Joan - I had school friends who lived in Wickham House (the one in the centre when looking at the end of Smithy St?) I lived on the other side of Jubilee street from 1980 onwards. We all went to Redlands primary and loved climbing over Old Flo when the teachers took us for a run-around in the park.
That bit of E1 will always be working class because of the preponderance of council housing still - the change in demographic will be because of Right-to-buy).
E1W-er | 13.02.17 - 11:12 a.m. | #
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Great to hear E1W! We spent a lot of time on Old Flo but knew her as 'the fat lady'. Have since revisited her, with my own kids, at the Yorkshire Sculpture Park and am eagerly anticipating where she will end up - Tower Hamlets have invited possible locations to bid. Sorry for the off topic Diamond Geezer.
Joan | 13.02.17 - 11:18 a.m. | #
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I have spent many an evening in the Temple Bar, formerly Milford's, formerly The Edinburgh Tavern. My father worked at 190 Strand for many years, and enjoyed the company of a group of people who mostly had nicknames - eg Bill the Stamp, from Stanley Gibbons of course.
Bob L-S | 13.02.17 - 12:18 p.m. | #
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Lukin Street and the Presbytery appear at the end of this clip with Lionel Bart - in the 1970s?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00v0ss2
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Fascinating post and equally fascinating comments!
Can't wait for tomorrow's post!
Cornish Cockney | 13.02.17 - 2:45 p.m. | #
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Oh oh oh!! That location being so near, I just remembered that the annual Two Temple Place exhibition must be on soon... and it is already!!
Radical Artists in Sussex. Well, that is one lunchtime sorted. Or 'til 9pm on Wednesday. http://twotempleplace.org/exhibitions/2017-2/
dg writes: See sidebar. And it's excellent.
Andrew | 13.02.17 - 3:25 p.m. | #
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What about postcards that are next to each other numerically but not geographically, like SE1 and Se2 being quite far apart
Rachel | 13.02.17 - 3:45 p.m. | #
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Who needs postcodes? Surely the Temple Bar is easily locatable by being in the middle of Midtwon??
Chris | 13.02.17 - 4:30 p.m. | #
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Two Temple Place: ha! I suspect you have that one in your back pocket for a slow day, then.
Andrew | 13.02.17 - 6:25 p.m. | #
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@jon Coombe
It seems that Aberdeen's postcodes were revised about ten years ago, and the first district is now AB10 (not AB1)
The last is only a 25 mile drive away (oh, and a 14 hour ferry crossing)
timbo | 13.02.17 - 6:29 p.m. | #
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@Bob L-S -- so your father worked for STC, the telecoms equipment company? I visited that building many times, as a journalist specialising in the telecoms industry. It's a horrible monstrosity that has gone up in its place.
Alan Burkitt-Gray | 13.02.17 - 7:53 p.m. | #
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Malcolm | 13.02.17 - 9:00 p.m. | #
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@Alan Burkitt-Gray
Yes my Dad worked for them, as I did though not at 190 Strand.
There is a tenuous sort of link between the first postcode here (on the Mail Rail) and the last (next to the HQ of a major supplier to the Post Office, when that included telephone systems).
Bob L-S | 13.02.17 - 11:17 p.m. | #
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for anyone planning to go to 2 Temple Place; don't go today, it's closed on Tuesdays. This is not mentioned on its posters, and I had a wasted journey there a week ago.
amber | 14.02.17 - 7:16 a.m. | #
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Sorry about your wasted journey, Amber. Opening times on the website: http://twotempleplace.org/visit/hours/
Hope you found something good to do instead. Up the extension at the Tate Modern, for example?
Andrew | 14.02.17 - 8:17 a.m. | #
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The real Temple Bar is, of course, at EC4M 7DX, having been returned to London in 2003 after a 125 year holiday in the Hertfordshire countryside.
timbo | 14.02.17 - 1:14 p.m. | #
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For those interested in finding all there is to know about specific postcodes I have found the website at postcodes.io is an excellent resource.
Peter CS | 14.02.17 - 7:08 p.m. | #
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