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diamond geezer | Homepage | 29.08.25 - 12:00 a.m. | #
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13) Intrigued as to why the number of new 60+ Oyster cards issued last year was approximately one third of the total, given the card will last for six years.
Does the number of cards issued include replacements? Also, probably more 60-66 year olds will move out of London than move in, and some will have died.
But even so, the numbers look odd. Were they affected by the pause in issuing following TfLs IT hacking?
Nigel | 29.08.25 - 7:20 a.m. | #
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I don't think your first statement in 26 reflects the foi response you linked to, and is counter intuitive to the second statement (hence me looking at the foi).
dg writes: see pdf at foot of FoI
Al | 29.08.25 - 7:21 a.m. | #
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1. How is this information known? How do they know where passengers got off the bus?
Ackshley | 29.08.25 - 7:41 a.m. | #
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29. I note the line diagrams still call the Dangleway the London Cable Car. I feel the sponsoring company, whose name escapes me, aren’t getting value for money.
Dan | 29.08.25 - 7:59 a.m. | #
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10 and 17) Jorge Ortega, an Elizabeth line employee, died from his injuries after being attacked at Ilford station just doing his job. This is why an Elizabeth line train was named after him.
However, the charge seems to have been grievous bodily harm with intent, not even manslaughter, so he does not appear as a murder or homicide. Given that the FOI asked for 'other unlawful homicide', I think the response does not really fairly represent the true situation.
Travelling by public transport is still incredibly safe and generally safer than other means - especially if you take into account risk of injury or death due to collision etc.
Pedantic of Purley | 29.08.25 - 8:09 a.m. | #
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1) Ackshley - I expect it's guesstimation. Any passengers who board at or after Finsbury Park can obviously only use that half of the bus route (in either direction) and perhaps the other journeys are then roughly matched up with those, to create an overall estimate.
Ted | 29.08.25 - 8:11 a.m. | #
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13) I do not find it surprising that a third of Oyster cards were issued in the past year. I think more people are aware of it and want to take advantage of it. It is no longer a card of shame but a card of pride.
The earlier comment asked if this includes replacements and this shows the need to anticipate the answer and word the question very carefully.
Pedantic of Purley | 29.08.25 - 8:17 a.m. | #
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18) The data behind the FOI is for the single most popular route for each station rather the busiest stations by total journeys. Still, it's pretty surprising that the back and forth along Bow Common Lane makes #7 & 8.
Also a little surprised that, for 204 out of the 806 docking stations, the most popular single destination is to return the bike to its start point. I could see that being common in the parks / centre but it's also the case for the inner suburbs like Chrisp St Market, Poplar
Always enjoy these monthly roundups DG - thanks!
dg writes: tweaked, thanks
San Tander | 29.08.25 - 8:17 a.m. | #
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1) TfL has a sophisticated algorithm which, where possible, determines where a passenger is likely to have alighted a bus. The main 'clues' are where the card is seen next and the registered home postcode for the card if available. So if a card is tapped on the bus at Stamford Hill and then next seen getting on the tube at Golders Green it is assumed they got off the bus at Golders Green station for example. Similarly if they got on a different bus at Archway for example then they would have alighted there too. Or if they got on the same bus in the other direction at Highgate Village it can be assumed they got off the previous bus there. It only works for up to 80% of bus trips but it's a good indicator and the figures can be scaled up. It's important to note that these guessed alighting points are only stored anonymously.
JP | 29.08.25 - 8:24 a.m. | #
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24 - Some of these roles are reminiscent of W1A.
Trevor S | 29.08.25 - 8:24 a.m. | #
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10) Why is it murder on the trains but homicide on the buses? Aren't they the same thing, one being an Americanism? I see the original linked request asked for details of, "murder, manslaughter and other unlawful homicide...," which begs the question, what would be considered lawful homicide?
23) I somehow think that was your own tongue in cheek "somehow."
25) Just starting a request "Hey" would be enough to trigger me!
Tim | 29.08.25 - 8:27 a.m. | #
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10) Agree that consistent terminology is essential.
Examples of lawful homicde could be judicially approved execution or judicially approved withdrawal of treatment from a patient with no chance of recovery.
Richard Morris | 29.08.25 - 8:43 a.m. | #
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10. "The classification of any fatality on our network is for the BTP or MPS to determine following an investigation. It is advisable to contact them directly for further information."
diamond geezer | Homepage | 29.08.25 - 8:49 a.m. | #
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1, 26) Are the people who called for it happy with it? It was made for political reasons so it probably can't be adjusted for rational reasons.
18) Interesting. The bottom of the table suggests that people using the bikes in Camden don't circle around, some came from Grafton St, Mayfair. A cycle-friendly blogger could dive deeper.
22) Is bus charging put under Bus Ops or Surface Transport? As a direct comparison with the three you highlight, I'd like that reported alone.
toby | 29.08.25 - 9:05 a.m. | #
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2 - be nice to know which side of the gate line and how many involved staff.
9 - 0.0000086%, they didn't have add that bit - but they did.
10 - so the BTP investigate murders and the Met investigates homicides.
13 - the numbers look odd, but the crucial word is 'active', what is the definition of 'active'.
19 - 'continue not to serve' - as if it's an achievement.
22 - so what's the split between stations and trains; Surface Transport has its own heading and cost £51,164,939 - so street lighting, traffic lights and Dangleway?
26 - looks like they asked a leading question for the second answer.
Still Anon | 29.08.25 - 9:13 a.m. | #
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(4) I’m glad to see that the Piccadilly Line handrails will be correctly colour-coded blue.
Next we need the District Line handrails to be green rather than the present Circle Line yellow - unless these trains operate on both lines. Their confusing range of in-carriage route maps suggest they do.
ActonMan | 29.08.25 - 9:49 a.m. | #
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23. Could we have a full analysis please dg on what the heck is happening with the Central line upgrades. I do indeed remember them being first announced two years ago, and only two units have been done since then !!
anna | 29.08.25 - 10:00 a.m. | #
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1) It's the 15% which is the crucial number. Is that the level of end to end use TfL were expecting to justify the route's creation.
17) She wasn't an MP at the time, but it is slightly awkward to have a train named after the current Transport Secretary.
Mikey C | 29.08.25 - 10:08 a.m. | #
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11 - Pity about Harlequin, and I remain unconvinced that it didn't meet the agreed criteria, if that relates to "Setting the tone" in the pdf about the process. I suspect someone was determined it should be Lioness and wanted to get rid of any realistic alternative.
Andrew S | 29.08.25 - 10:12 a.m. | #
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10. I don't understand why police forces appear to classify crimes differently. They should both be following the same Home Office guidelines.
Homicide is a perfectly good English word - as is fratricide, matricide, suicide etc.
Examples of lawful homicide include self-defence, killing the enemy in times of war and hanging someone sentenced to death at a place of lawful execution.
Pedantic of Purley | 29.08.25 - 10:25 a.m. | #
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7) But they don't say who was aware between 2nd and 20th February, nor how the fault clearance time of 109 days related to the target for such events, nor indeed how many other such events occurred, nor when self-reporting fault detection software is to be installed to prevent recurrence at Sevenoaks or indeed elsewhere.
Ian | 29.08.25 - 10:45 a.m. | #
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22) Electricity figures are supplied in kw/h not £. Naively seems to imply TfL paid ~19.5p per kw/h.
dg writes: updated
cb101 | 29.08.25 - 11:13 a.m. | #
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16 - Being on the receiving side of FoI requests myself, I offer a virtual drink/cake to the TfL team who have to deal with these questions.
(I'm not against FoI per se, I just see it heavily abused)
Jon Jones | 29.08.25 - 12:45 p.m. | #
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22. Really strictly, kW/h not kw/h.
Pedantic of Purley | 29.08.25 - 1:05 p.m. | #
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22. Even more strictly, kWh, not kW/h as it’s kilowatt hours not kilowatts per hour
Shadok | 29.08.25 - 1:43 p.m. | #
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16. Jon Jones sit down next to me brother
Now they have had to hire two extra staff to deal with this bolx will someone complain about how TFL is wasting its money answering FOIs?
I won't hold my breath.
Pete W | 29.08.25 - 1:46 p.m. | #
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18) I wonder if there is a way to convert the grid references to find out what the longest 'most popular routes' are in that list. It looks like a lot of the City ones are to Waterloo, which would be about 2.5 miles.
Eltomzo | 29.08.25 - 3:59 p.m. | #
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18. That seems to be an appropriate question for Oliver O'Brien, once a visitor here. Perhaps he's cycled away.
mikeS | 29.08.25 - 5:10 p.m. | #
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4) ActonMan - The trains do indeed work on both lines - also on the Hammersmith & City. The moquette on the old C stock, which also operated on all three lines, cleverly included all three line colours
timbo | 29.08.25 - 5:33 p.m. | #
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29. Happy with the line diagrams with the grey zone indicators. It makes the line stand out better. I found the blue ones too much of a visual imposition when they were first introduced waybackwhen.
NickW | 29.08.25 - 6:53 p.m. | #
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3) USB-A does seem like an old fashioned choice, but it looks like the Newcastle Metro has led the way with their new stock.
Marc | 29.08.25 - 9:23 p.m. | #
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7) Is there any way for passengers to claim refunds?
Ewan James | 29.08.25 - 10:48 p.m. | #
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diamond geezer | Homepage | 29.08.25 - 11:08 p.m. | #
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17) There’s a diesel locomotive named after the Transport Minister!
30) The London Overground still has its diversity Class 378 running around as l saw it at Stratford last week. Presumably it was painted (wrapped) before 2024 and 2025.
Kim | 30.08.25 - 12:52 p.m. | #
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18 - I do Ackroyd Drive, Bow ←→ Maplin Street, Mile End almost daily, as it's an extremely convenient way of converting a 10-15 minute walk from my flat to the station into a 3-4 minute gentle pedal up or down Southern Grove.
Given that Ackroyd Drive is in the single most densely populated square kilometer in London (which I also learned via DG...), maybe that explains its place in the top 10. Still a surprise tho!
Joseph Clift | 01.09.25 - 7:33 a.m. | #
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I was number 14! At least they did say they're going to contact partners "in the autumn".
Simon | 07.09.25 - 5:09 p.m. | #
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Item 30 has a spelling mistake in it: "muvh"
Jag | 10.09.25 - 7:55 p.m. | #
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Yes, I copied what the applicant wrote.
diamond geezer | Homepage | 10.09.25 - 7:57 p.m. | #
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