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When Pizza first became popular in this country probably in the late 1960's I always though they were overpriced, unhealthy food- with a good profit for the cafe. I have tried them, but never eat them now.
John | 15.07.16 - 7:14 a.m. | #
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Since I had a real pizza in Naples Italy back in 1984, all the rest just look and taste like fakes.
http://www.pizzeriadimatteo.com
Michael | 15.07.16 - 7:25 a.m. | #
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To be completely fair, if you live somewhat central-ish and have a place with a proper stone oven and all that jazz nearby, that is a *completely* different foodstuff to your average takeaway/supermarket fare. And it is pretty much impossible to make at home, barring having your own stone oven.
But then, as I've said, it's not the same food at all. Normally I tend to either get a frozen margherita and throw my own toppings on (Costco has these rather expensive - 3 for a fiver - ones that are really, really nice), or go whole hog and make it from scratch. The latter is great if you live on your own, since portion control is an issue otherwise. Though you do end up with some "leftover special" experiments that may or may not work. :)
(And I realise I've missed the point entirely. But I do like pizza.)
Chz | 15.07.16 - 7:34 a.m. | #
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Never been that bothered by pizza, nor of take away food prepared by someone else, a microwaved potato tends to retain its heat, plus I quite like them 'naked' without baked beans and cheese plus all the other stuff.
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I only realised half way through. I should've clicked when you said potatoes topping.
As Chz said it is possible to get a proper pizza in some parts of London (without paying £20 too). Ciao Bella on Lamb's Conduit Street charge about £7 (IIRC). Nearby La Porchetta charge similar prices for enormous pizzas and have branches further out like Stroud Green Road.
Lorenzo | 15.07.16 - 7:59 a.m. | #
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As a student I used to work in a pizza delivery place. The marginal cost of a pizza is pennies. That's why you often see buy one get one free deals, and why it seems such a popular business.
I never eat them now of course. I ate a lifetimes supply when I was working there, plus it's really difficult to spend a tenner on something you know cost 30p to make.
Gerald | Homepage | 15.07.16 - 8:14 a.m. | #
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It's dead easy to make pizza at home. All you need is strong bread flour, yeast, oil, salt and water, plus your toppings of choice, and a baking tray.
CG | 15.07.16 - 8:24 a.m. | #
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As someone once said to me, pizza is just posh cheese on toast
Sarah | 15.07.16 - 9:12 a.m. | #
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There is a gluten-free pizza place in Forest Hill where they make it fresh and have it on your table in less than five minutes. It is amazing and it costs less than a tenner. I can therefore leave my house, walk to the station, wait for a train, catch a train and be eating and pay leas for it quicker than what the local delivery company can.
Having said that, because I am weak and human i do sometimes order online from the comfort of my couch to the delivery company. And i always tip the delivery guy. Last time that happene the young kid in his bicycle helmet looked astounded that i had done that. Does no one else tip the delivery person, or is it just me??
Geofftech | 15.07.16 - 9:22 a.m. | #
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Of course supermarkets make pizzas, at least the small Sainsbury's in Canada Water does, so I assume others do too. They're actually ok, and my son cant have cheese so you can order which ever toppings you like, so for him it's tomato ham and mushroom.
I like a good pizza, and have made my own, though the dough is very sticky and hard to work with. You've got to roll it very thin. The best topping ingredients are just tomato, mozzarella and basil leaves.
SJM | 15.07.16 - 9:31 a.m. | #
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Is there a teacher's guide to this DG post explaining the subtle intricacies and underlying points?
I fear I am a bit too stupid to get it by myself....
Messiah | 15.07.16 - 9:35 a.m. | #
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blame the parents who fed their kids on junk food and didn't teach them to cook
Caz | 15.07.16 - 10:14 a.m. | #
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@geofftech "Does no one else tip the delivery person, or is it just me??"
Ah, the great tipping controversy! Do you tip the assistant at a shoe shop when they bring you a pair of trainers from the stockroom? Probably not.
Is that any different from a waiter bringing you a dish of food from the kitchen? Or someone bringing you a home-delivery pizza for that matter?
Tipping distorts what should be a straightforward pay structure and holds down proper wages. I'll be glad when it's died out.
RayL | 15.07.16 - 11:25 a.m. | #
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All my shopping is online.
I'm not a massive pizza eater but know that Sainsbury's lists their own, as well as Pizza Express pizzas in their 'Chilled' section. I haven't looked at 'Frozen'
hungryhouse.co.uk will get me almost any food delivered pronto at the click of a mouse.
We are inundated with pizza leaflets almost daily.
Maybe HA8 has advantages over E3...
Helen D Vecht | 15.07.16 - 12:17 p.m. | #
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My wife used to run cookery courses aimed at encouraging people on benefits to cook for themselves rather than getting takeaways. She taught basic cookery with simple ingredients, and it was very popular, with many people saying they were surprised by how easy and tasty it was. Unfortunately, the courses were stopped last year due to council funding cuts.
Jimbo | 15.07.16 - 12:52 p.m. | #
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It's a shame DG never writes sarcastic posts. At least I assume he doesn't, I've never asked. And I can't write a sarcastic comment myself, can I, obviously.
Kirk | 15.07.16 - 12:52 p.m. | #
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"Slouch and deliver". Is that like "Netflix and Chill"?
LocalTVViewer | 15.07.16 - 1:47 p.m. | #
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A "real pizza" only has cheese and/or tomato + oil and no other toppings.
The plural of a "real" pizza is pizze.
A British pizza may not be a "real" pizza but as long as you don't buy the "Chicago Town" crap they are usually edible and filling. And most have some semblance of vegetables as well.
I seem to be the only person I know who has never ordered takeaway/delivery in my life. If I don't want to wash up I get paper plates and plastic cutlery.
JQ | 15.07.16 - 2:25 p.m. | #
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Hahahahaha! You sound just like my teens! They don't think it's "proper food" unless the parental unit has paid over the odds for someone else to cook it for them and deliver it directly to their rooms!
Cornish Cockney | 15.07.16 - 4:22 p.m. | #
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Really people?! This post has nothing to do with pizzas...read it again and you'll (perhaps) see the light
E | 15.07.16 - 7:39 p.m. | #
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Oh DG, you're such a slob.
GA Annie | 15.07.16 - 7:55 p.m. | #
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DG, have you visited Pizza Union in Liverpool Street? It's great, and less than £4 for a brilliant margarita.
M | 15.07.16 - 9:12 p.m. | #
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I wrote a post about hats once.
It got lots of comments about hats.
diamond geezer | Homepage | 15.07.16 - 11:54 p.m. | #
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I never, ever have take aways. Utter waste of money. Much happier buying ingredients and cooking my own meals. I don't understand the whole take away via an app thing. People simply can't afford to live on take aways if they're on average money.
Only rarely will I buy a pizza at the supermarket and they usually make me ill for some odd reason. I've never made a homemade pizza, including the dough, though.
Best pizza I've ever eaten was in an Italian restaurant in San Francisco. Sublime and so far removed from pizzas in the UK as to be from another planet. Great food if done properly.
PC | 16.07.16 - 12:51 a.m. | #
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The underlying message of the hat post was rather more obvious than this one....
Messiah | 16.07.16 - 6:41 a.m. | #
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Perhaps Messiah and E could explain, please...?
Half a physicist | 16.07.16 - 8:48 a.m. | #
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That's it. I'm having pizza tonight. BTW for those living in London I whole-heartedly recommend Village Pizza. Their toppings are very unusual and absolutely delicious. They do - or at least did - one called an Aglio, with artichoke, walnut and garlic sauce. To die (and diet) for!
I do go through occasional pizza-making phases, and it's a whole lot more simple with a bread maker on pizza dough setting. It does all the work and you just have to roll it into shape and bung whatever toppings you like and into the oven. Great way to use up leftovers too.
daveid | 16.07.16 - 11:54 a.m. | #
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I too feel I have missed the metaphor.
John Styles | 16.07.16 - 2:13 p.m. | #
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Gosh readers/commenters are not what they use to be are they. Let us start at, well, the beginning shall we? First sentence: "It's a shame supermarkets don't sell pizzas". Notice anything? For starters it a clue that, perhaps, the post is not about pizzas. Common sense tell us said blogger knows full well that 'supermarkets' do sell 'pizzas'.
E | 16.07.16 - 2:29 p.m. | #
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Err I dunno what supermarkets you go to Mr DG ;) but all the ones I've been to stock tons of pizaas to suit all wallets and tastes. Just stick one in the oven and away you go.
Also usually tastes better and costs less (waaaay less) than a home delivery pizza :)
Dave McD | 16.07.16 - 5:49 p.m. | #
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(sigh)
diamond geezer | Homepage | 16.07.16 - 6:27 p.m. | #
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The pizza metaphor is simply too oblique for me too.
Frank F | 16.07.16 - 7:01 p.m. | #
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Yes, I think we all need a teeny weeny clue to reveal the hidden meaning. I've struggled for two days to look beyond the pizza meaning. And all I get is a hungry yearning for the damn things!
And yes, my local Morrisons make them to order - but I know that's not the point !
petras409 | 16.07.16 - 7:32 p.m. | #
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Is it about streaming tv rather than watching free to air or cable/satellite?
Gt | 16.07.16 - 11:10 p.m. | #
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Until May I was working on a Pizza counter in an Asda store, and we had people often say they were better Tha Dominoes. I don't know about that, but for 1/4 the price, I'd say the Asda ones were, 3/4 as good. And as stated above, you can pick all your toppings, leave the cheese, even leave the sauce if you like. So I'm thinking this could have been a really long joke, especially because I'm sure that the last you said DG was that you do you shopping in-store, but hey ho.
Bruce | 17.07.16 - 6:34 a.m. | #
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...and 'they' still don't get it! (sigh)
E | 17.07.16 - 10:03 a.m. | #
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@E rather than just the comment abou how 'they' still don't get it, how about you enlighten us. Or are you one of these people I see in newspaper comment sections that try to claim some inside knowledge but then when asked to share say if you don't know I'm not telling because they don't know and are just trying to make themselves seem superior.
Barry | 17.07.16 - 11:38 a.m. | #
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If you follow that logic, Barry, then I'm "one of these people" for writing the post in the first place.
diamond geezer | Homepage | 17.07.16 - 11:49 a.m. | #
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Checking back for a 'reveal' but as yet there is none.
Your metaphorical device patently failed to strike the intended target with the majority of your readers.
As such, why 'sigh' at us in a patronising fashion? I'm not sure that any failure rests with the readers.
Frank F | 17.07.16 - 1:09 p.m. | #
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@Diamond Geezer, no you are not one of those people because you wrote it so if anybody should know the true meaning it is you.
Though would you like to throw us a bone and give us a hint at what we are missing.
It seems, judging by most of the comments this post has received, that your readership is either not as intelligent as you would like (myself included) or we just take thing at face value or your metaphor is too obscure.
Barry | 17.07.16 - 1:14 p.m. | #
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Erm... is this about how Britain will cope without its trade links with Italy??? :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVVrZJaN1IU
RogerW | 17.07.16 - 2:19 p.m. | #
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... Goodfellas!? I've **** 'em!
RogerW | 17.07.16 - 2:20 p.m. | #
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@ Barry
1) i would never dream of considering my myself superior to anyone...quite the opposite.
2)...there is such a thing as satire, in any post(s)/comment(s)
3)...i may or may not be part of the 'don't get gang'. Never said i was enlightened...just that 'they' don't get it.
4)...oh yes there is a '4)', don't get all annoyed at me, i didn't write the post ;)
5)...chill out, goodness knows there enough problems in the world.
It could also be a double-bluff... a post 'seemingly' about pizzas but in truth is not about pizzas so thus giving rise to the thought it about something else when it fact it is not about pizzas or something else it about...well, nothing. Just a load of words seemingly about pizzas that some people think is about pizzas but isn't ...and other people think it has some 'hidden meaning' but doesn't.
Now that might give you a clue...or it might not, as to what the post is or is not about, if indeed it is about 'anything'.
E | 17.07.16 - 5:24 p.m. | #
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My working theory is that this is a Labour Party analogy.
DeDomenici | Homepage | 17.07.16 - 6:21 p.m. | #
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Santa Maria pizza place in Ealing is the best out there. You can eat in or take away. The Italians go there so that tells you all you need to know.
Mark | 17.07.16 - 6:59 p.m. | #
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@E
I'm not at all annoyed at you, I don't know how you got that impression.
You may be part of the 'they' that don't get it and I took your comment the wrong way but your two previous comments made it look like you saw between the lines DG wrote but don't want to share.
Barry | 17.07.16 - 7:44 p.m. | #
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Just so we all clear, the post was not about pizza(s)
E | 18.07.16 - 1:04 a.m. | #
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"Why should I get my own oven dirty with all that dripping cheese when someone'll deliver a pizza ready-made in a box I can simply chuck away?"
Because it's 5-10 times cheaper?
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(sigh)
E | 18.07.16 - 5:24 p.m. | #
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Ah, got it, Mr Geezer's oblique metaphor is about getting his niche sexual fetishes satisfied by specialist Belgian prostitutes trained in administration of pain in obscure ways.
John Styles | 19.07.16 - 9:10 a.m. | #
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Just to be clear, I have no idea what on earth this post was about, which is why I asked for help.
Messiah | 19.07.16 - 11:22 a.m. | #
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Why do people assume this post is an allegory for ONE narrowly defined, non-pizza thing? The last paragraph couldn’t be clearer. It’s all around you.
There are ads in the tube for an app where you can call in someone (possibly, not even a professional) to assemble your Ikea furniture while you lounge around in the next room. I can imagine an old person finding this helpful, but I doubt they are the intended target. Whereas I can easily see able-bodied people spending money for it, and frittering away the saved-up time on Facebook.
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If the point is merely that getting someone else to do something is the way we are going then comparing a supermarket pizza with a delivered one would not be the most obvious comparison, as (noted in the comments above) lots of people think delivered pizzas are different and better than supermarket ones.
Which is why I wonder if there is more of a message here?
Messiah | 20.07.16 - 12:06 a.m. | #
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I've been thinking about this recently and I guess it comes down to where do you draw the line / how do you value your time?
We got someone in to remove some fitted wardrobes and repaint a bedroom. Work that I was perfectly capable of doing myself, and yet in two years never quite managed to find the time to do it.
So where do you draw the line?
I took my car to my local garage to get a bulb replaced. Pretty simple job but I initially got the wrong bulb and then it proved to be fiddly. Took them five minutes but probably would have taken me longer (and lots of cursing!).
Amazon Prime Now will deliver me stuff within two hours from a well known supermarket. Is this lazy or simply a more efficient use of resources (I would get in my car and drive....)
mdb0 | 20.07.16 - 11:17 a.m. | #
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I clearly need to go and beat myself up for reading DG's posts literally and not spending hours looking for the hidden messages.
PC | 20.07.16 - 1:57 p.m. | #
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This has to be a record for the number of comments made after posting.
dg writes: Not even close.
To be honest I'm one of those people who doesn't stop and reflect, so its a post about pizza.
Unfortunately in the modern world, much of the information we acquire, ends up being thrown away because of technology change, so there is less and less reliance on deep knowledge.
I don't regard ordering a pizza being any different to buying ready made clothes, furniture, phones, TV, food in general (anyone needed to milk a cow, harvest or kill anything today?), washing machine, medicine etc.
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Surely it's a matter of degree? Sewing your own clothes is one thing. Having the wherewithal to buy a pizza and a fizzy drink from the supermarket for use over the next few days is quite another.
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But it depends on your perspective, some of these were things we did as a matter of course, so we kept livestock, grew our own crops, it was fairly normal to make our own clothes, and to repair them, early geeks make their own computers out of off the shelf components.
The only reason this blog exists is that the person writing it isn't spending their time tending their livestock, growing their own crops etc., go back through the original post and replace every mention of pizza with apples/loaf of bread/tin of soup for example.
Michael Burke did a T.V. series back in the 70s called Connections, in the first episode he imagined a catastrophe, you escape to the countryside, you come across a farm - then what?, can you plough?, can you milk a cow?, shear a sheep?, if you did harvest the wheat, could you process it?
Basically home delivered pizza is like anything else, if you can get someone else to do it (and you can pay them) you do - that means that humans were free acquire knowledge and use it to invent stuff.
Air-con springs to mind for some reason.
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