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Obviously if the station is renamed, all signage, maps and announcements will need to be changed. Surely the cost of changing more than one station's name will not be substantially more than changing one station.
For example if Surrey Quays station was rightfully reverted back to Surrey Docks at the same time as White Hart Lane became Tottenham Hotspur, surely the in car maps on Overground trains and announcement changes will only be replaced once for multiple stations.
I do feel that renaming White Hart Lane to Tottenham Hotspur is a good idea however - whilst White Hart Lane is synonymous with Tottenham's ground at the moment, give it 10 years after the stadium is renamed a la Emirates Stadium and many people (especially visiting fans some from overseas) will struggle to find the football stadium (and may go to Tottenham Hale, South Tottenham or even Tottenham Court Road looking for the stadium!)
Rotherhithe | 19.03.19 - 7:11 a.m. | #
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@DG Here, here
@Rotherite Utter tosh, unless you forgot the /sarc tag.
Ken | 19.03.19 - 7:16 a.m. | #
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Oh,hang on whilst I check today's date-no,not April 1st yet. đ¤
Be careful with all that tutting,DG, you may bite your tongue which I think could be wedged in your cheek? đ
Jo W | 19.03.19 - 7:21 a.m. | #
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I feel the same about stations and lines being named after royalty!
Brian | 19.03.19 - 7:36 a.m. | #
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I don't know much about sport, but if the trend is to name stations after the home team, rather than the location, logic would suggest that Oval should be renamed Surrey County.
Petras409 | 19.03.19 - 7:43 a.m. | #
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When the GLC was introduced Middlesex and Surrey cricket clubs should have been renamed Greater London North and Greater London South (Surrey being given the option of moving from the Oval into Surrey proper, the oval then being used for something suitably 60s like a massive car park)
John Styles | 19.03.19 - 8:04 a.m. | #
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Hmmm, no mention of Brent tube station, which was renamed Brent Cross, after the shopping centre opened in the 1970s? :)
TommyL4 | 19.03.19 - 8:07 a.m. | #
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The London stadium have spent millions trying to get some mug company to stump up money to brand that stadium. Unfortunately in that case it was public money.
Still, because of the civil servants' poor negotiating skills, West Ham got the bargain of the century there, so The Hammers are 'Appy 'Ammers.
scrumpy | 19.03.19 - 8:13 a.m. | #
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All lines should be renamed to single letters with the stations numbered.
Logic | 19.03.19 - 8:34 a.m. | #
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To make matters worse Tottenham made a minimal (s106) contribution to the cost of the white hart lane station upgrades. They spent hundreds of thousands of ÂŁ on transport consultants to show they didnât have much of an impact and therefore got out of paying much.
Flare | 19.03.19 - 8:41 a.m. | #
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The current name is already identified closely with Spurs but a compromise might be âWHITE HART LANE for Tottenham Hotspurâ.
I knew the station well and used it daily Mon-Fri in the 50s/60s when travelling to school (by steam and then the first generation of electrics) and its name of course accurately describes its location. To rename the station for once a fortnight visitors and only during the soccer season is an insult to local residents!
winsleigh | 19.03.19 - 8:55 a.m. | #
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My understanding is that the old ground came to be known as WHL after the station rather than the street. Because so many arrived by train back then. So the current move is a direct reversal.
GeoffH | 19.03.19 - 9:05 a.m. | #
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Jumping off Rotherhithe's comment above, why not have an annual day (say, 1st May - because a month prior to that would be too prone to jokey comments) where ten stations get renamed for the next year. It'll be like football's transfer deadline day, or cabinet reshuffle day, or other things that escape my brain because I'm not awake yet.
Rumours of Abbey Road having the suffix "for Strawberry Fields" appended to it. A bloke down the pub who swears his barber's mum knows someone who said Bond Street will be renamed for a year to promote the next movie. A public petition to get High Barnet's name changed in tribute to Amy Winehouse. TfL threatening to rename all the Paddington stations that they control unless HarperCollins and StudioCanal make a contribution so they're not getting free advertising.
On a slightly more sensible note, I'm disappointed that DG isn't upset about Kensington station being renamed to promote the exhibition centre nearby.
Jamesthegill | 19.03.19 - 9:36 a.m. | #
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Wasnât West Hamâa former stadium actually the Boleyn Ground?
Kim | 19.03.19 - 9:48 a.m. | #
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I saw the headline in Londonist and thought it was a spoof!
Cornish Cockney | 19.03.19 - 10:06 a.m. | #
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There are two White Hart Lanes in London (the other has a level crossing but no station), but there's only one Tottenham Hotspur.
Woolwich Arsenal station has kept its name, even though the football club after which it was named (!) moved away in 1913.
But, in contrast, the DLR renamed Millwall Park ("No one likes us, we don't care") before it even opened, to a name more attractive to the locals - Mudchute - to keep football supporters away. (The football club had moved across the river to Bermondsey 77 years before the station opened).
The Surrey Cricket Club still has a station named after its ground, but the MCC lost theirs in 1939.
Wimbledon station has never been the closest one for their ground - Haydons Road is the closest to their old stadium (and possibly their future one) at Plough Lane - but currently their nearest station is Norbiton, three stops down the line from Wimbledon.
timbo | 19.03.19 - 10:36 a.m. | #
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If you are heading to Selhurst Park and get off at Crystal Palace, it's a good half hour's walk (or a ride on the 157 bus). Generations of visiting fans have been fooled by this. Before World War 1, CPFC did actually play nearby.
Ian Paton | 19.03.19 - 10:50 a.m. | #
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It's absolutely appalling that there's still no date for the opening of Bull & Bush !
Gerry | 19.03.19 - 11:18 a.m. | #
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Wembley Stadium used to be Wembley Hill, unlike other rebuildings the new stadium is still more or less in the same place - so it'll always be White Hart Lane to the fans, however if Tottenham want the station renamed to help them sell the naming rights, then TfL should only do it if they get a percentage of each deal.
Still Anon | 19.03.19 - 11:54 a.m. | #
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...i'm still waiting for Clapham Junction to be Battersea Junction
Grumpy Anon | 19.03.19 - 11:57 a.m. | #
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I get the impression from the tone of this post that DG actually doesn't give a flying monkeys.
Doktorb | 19.03.19 - 12:21 p.m. | #
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@Doktorb / Jo W
You seem to have picked up on the tongue-in-cheek tone that seems to have been missed by quite a few commenters above.
@scrumpy
Not civil servants. London Legacy Development Corporation (not central government) - who were no doubt advised by private sector consultants.
Vic Flange | 19.03.19 - 12:27 p.m. | #
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@Kim West Ham United FC have played at a number of venues over the years. At the end of the 19th century they (then still Thames Ironworks FC) played at the Memorial Grounds on Memorial Avenue, at a time when there was no station between Bromley [by Bow] and Plaistow. Arnold Hills, the owner of the club (and of the parent ironworks), lobbied for a station to serve the grounds and got it, with the name West Ham. It opened about the same time the club formally dissolved and recreated as West Ham United FC. However there was a falling out between Hills and the club, leading to the latter moving to the Boleyn Ground in 1904.
West Ham was also the name of the borough and the broader area but the station is not particularly central and/or close to the main hub.
Tim Roll-Pickering | Homepage | 19.03.19 - 12:36 p.m. | #
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I, too, was going to mention the hapless people who get off at Crystal Palace and find a run down athletics stadium rather than a run down Selhurst Park.
Many years ago, my wife, a White Hart Lane fan, was one of them.
Chris | 19.03.19 - 12:40 p.m. | #
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This is just ridiculous.When Wood Lane was opened,they chose Wood Lane,because it is on Wood Lane.They could have chosen Queens Park Rangers,a five minute walk away down South Africa Road.When Barnet moved to The Hive,LUL did not rename Canons Park to Barnet FC.Network Rail have no plans to rename Kew Bridge to Brentford FC (stadium is 30 seconds from station,closer than White Hart Lane to Spurs,or Haydons Road to AFC Wimbledon.What makes Spurs so special.
Kevin Lucioni | 19.03.19 - 1:16 p.m. | #
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TfL have plenty of spare cash now that they appear to have abandoned the Metropolitan line extension to Watford Junction.(Watford football club station).
mikH | 19.03.19 - 1:26 p.m. | #
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The new stadium is actually closer to White Heart Lane than the old one.
NickW | Homepage | 19.03.19 - 2:04 p.m. | #
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What's worse? Tottenham Hotspur, or the Malaysian consortium redeveloping Battersea Power Station?
TheLupineOne | 19.03.19 - 3:31 p.m. | #
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@Kevin Lucioni
AFC Wimbledon play their home matches five miles from Haydons Road. The nearest station is Norbiton.
@Tim R-P
For most of their history, West Ham United have played their home games in what was at the time the County Borough of East Ham.
timbo | 19.03.19 - 3:59 p.m. | #
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UERL was a private company in 1932 and could choose to rename their stations without govt approval. TfL need to extract a large sum if they proceed with renaming White Heart Lane. The one thing not mentions is its only managed by ARl for TfL. If TfL lost the line and it reverted to Network Rail would the renaming also go?
Andrew Jarman | 19.03.19 - 7:09 p.m. | #
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Donât worry, Spurs will never actually be ready to move into their new stadium. Hence the station will never be renamed.
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To be historically correct, the station should be renamed 'Tottenham Marshes Hotspur Cricket Club', because that is how the football club started.
Bob L-S | 19.03.19 - 8:51 p.m. | #
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@timbo Not "most" - East Ham only had 50 years as a County Borough so the longest single period was (just) at the Boleyn Ground under Newham.
On Arsenal/Gillespie Road, the name change occurred when the Piccadilly line was extended from Finsbury Park and so a lot of the cost of the change was negated by the need to produce new maps and line diagrams anyway. Will Tottenham Hotspur similarly accompany another expansion of the Overground brand?
Tim Roll-Pickering | Homepage | 19.03.19 - 10:30 p.m. | #
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Pity the poor fans of Haringey Borough FC, whose ground is a sight closer to White Hart Lane than Spurs' ever was.
Klepsie | 19.03.19 - 11:29 p.m. | #
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We should all be thankful that the station's being renamed before Spurs have sold the naming rights to the stadium.
"The next station is Qatar Airways Arena. This is a London Overground train to Tescoville."
Gregg | 20.03.19 - 8:25 p.m. | #
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As a Spurs supporter (I believe you, DG, are (pardon the expression) an Arse supporter)..... as a Spurs supporter, I don't care personally, especially as our ground is currently called White Hart Lane, and will STILL be called that by Spurs supporters when some dodgy deal is done with big business to call it something like The Starbucks Arena. But my take is, if it's good enough for Arsenal, it's good enough for us, especially as we are above you in the table ......
Brian | 22.03.19 - 4:56 p.m. | #
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