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Constipation is more fun than what we're presently experiencing. At least there are remedies for the former.
Burntweenie | 15.03.19 - 7:14 a.m. | #
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When this is all over we will have to go back to talking about the weather, newspapers will be several pages shorter and the TV news bulletins can be 15 mins rather than half an hour.
Brian | 15.03.19 - 7:16 a.m. | #
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Don't come back later and read the comments. Don't come back later and read the comments. Sarah, do *not* come back later and read the comments.
Sarah | Homepage | 15.03.19 - 7:19 a.m. | #
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It is all pointless posturing in Parliament. 27 EU countries cannot and will not agree a length of extension, or even an extension per se.
However come the revolution (the next General Election) me thinks that a large number of the present MPs will get a big shock when the electorate get the opportunity to put them in the bin where they belong.
scrumpy | 15.03.19 - 7:27 a.m. | #
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Your final words nail it. This will go on and on and on. We haven't even got to the stage of what our future relationship looks like.
All this because David Cameron was worried about a few of his more lunatic MPs defecting to Ukip...
Andrew Bowden | Homepage | 15.03.19 - 7:32 a.m. | #
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I come here for train blogs. Not this political nonsense. 😋
Geofftech | 15.03.19 - 7:42 a.m. | #
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No one wants to be the Tory leader until 'afterwards' (whatever that means), only someone from the 'Tory Taliban' has a chance of becoming leader, so voting for the deal kills off your chances.
2019 or scheduled 2022 election - hard one to call, will anti-Brexit people still vote Tory?, Corbyn is soooooo hopeless, of the lefties, McDonnell performs better.
Remember the Liberal Democrats?
Still Anon | 15.03.19 - 8:01 a.m. | #
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If I am EU I will refuse and force a No deal Brexit. If this parliament fails to tie things up make it rot and fall.
Patrickov | 15.03.19 - 8:54 a.m. | #
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There's something wrong with the controls on the form. I've gone back to 2016 and clicked on "Referendum quietly forgotten" but it doesn't seem to do anything.
Eric | 15.03.19 - 8:56 a.m. | #
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If things continu as the last few years, the EU will do the logical thing and request a longer delay, after which the UK parliament will pretend they know better and let their country thunder out.
Tom | 15.03.19 - 8:59 a.m. | #
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bring back Bow road updates. we need a referendum to ensure DG exits Brexit posts
peewit | 15.03.19 - 9:04 a.m. | #
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It's certainly a dilly of a pickle...
Milo | 15.03.19 - 9:53 a.m. | #
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...remember we weren't fully committed to the idea of being in the EU to start with:
1) didn't adopt the Euro currency
2) have a fully open border with Europe (by virtue of being an island made easier)
3) never changed to driving on the right (imagine how much cheaper we could have brought those VWs, BWMs, Mercs, etc)
E | 15.03.19 - 10:00 a.m. | #
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There are four EU countries that drive on the left, six are not in Schengen, and nine have not adopted the Euro. But the UK is the only one in all three sets.
timbo | 15.03.19 - 10:18 a.m. | #
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I'm getting to the point where I just don't care anymore.
Politicians revel in their little games and every time we're the ones left to pick up the pieces and carry on the best we can.
Que sera sera.
Cornish Cockney | 15.03.19 - 11:00 a.m. | #
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I dont care anymore either. Let the appointed ones have their day. I concur with Cornish Cockney on this!
Rog | Homepage | 15.03.19 - 11:59 a.m. | #
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A colleague mentioned that he voted leave and was prepared to take the hit now for the sake of his children's future.
I suspect in the future his children will be asking why, during the last window we had to actually do something about climate change, we instead wasted all those years on this shit.
Geraldo | Homepage | 15.03.19 - 12:03 p.m. | #
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@E: There is the difficulty - the United Kingdom is not an island. There is a land border with Ireland.
Tim W | 15.03.19 - 12:04 p.m. | #
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All 'Hell No' except Rees Mogg who is just 'Hell'. About right methinks
MO | 15.03.19 - 12:27 p.m. | #
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Did Sarah return to read the comments?
rashbre central | Homepage | 15.03.19 - 12:44 p.m. | #
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Anyone who cannot think of anything positive to say about all this should probably say nothing.
Nothing.
Malcolm | 15.03.19 - 1:22 p.m. | #
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What will arrive first in a fully resolved manner: Brexit or Crossrail?
..."place your bets now!"
NickW | Homepage | 15.03.19 - 2:00 p.m. | #
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Like many on this side of the Channel we are beginning to wonder if ANYBODY in the UK really knows what they are doing. Activating Article 50 without a clear plan, was just asking for problems.
I remember seeing Daniel Hannan MEP on Dutch TV just after the referendum, when he stated the the UK would negotiate with the individual EU governments. Everybody thought then and there, he is an MEP, and he has NO clue how the EU works. This is going to be a disaster, the EU always negotiates as a BLOCK, no exceptions.
YDU | 15.03.19 - 3:57 p.m. | #
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Surely- "on, and on, and on, and Ariston"?
Jordan D | 15.03.19 - 4:24 p.m. | #
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@YDU. A majority of the UK population DID know what they were doing. They voted to leave the EU for valid reasons that remain valid.
The problem has been that there are too many MPs who want to sabotage the referendum decision. In addition, the government has not been strong enough in the negotiations and has ended up with a bad deal. Result - self-inflicted chaos in the Palace of Westminster. Meanwhile, the country carries on, but its contempt for MPs has increased.
RayL | 15.03.19 - 7:20 p.m. | #
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n.b. 37% of the UK population voted to leave. More than voted remain, but not a majority.
n.b. 100% of the MPs at Westminster were voted in after the referendum, by an electorate who knew the outcome.
meh | 15.03.19 - 7:34 p.m. | #
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I know I really shouldn't bite, but.
@RayL. What are the valid reasons that people voted to Leave? What are the valid reasons that make closing down factories worthwhile? What are the valid reasons that made the Leave campaigns lie about their illegal collusion and try to hide where their funding comes from? What are the valid reasons for unsettling millions of law-abiding taxpayers here and in the EU?
When even Leave MPs are reduced to repeating old, tired, easily disproved lies about us being forced to adopt the Euro in 2020, the rest of left are wondering what the reasons really are.
Will | 15.03.19 - 8:53 p.m. | #
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Spot on RayL. The only thing that is certain is that we voted against Remaining...
Darren | 15.03.19 - 9:01 p.m. | #
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@Will Reasons? A population that was was rising faster than the country could cope leading, in particular, to severe pressure on housing, on education and on the NHS. This is not the place to expand on these but they were and are real pressures and restricting 'free movement' was only possible by Leaving.
Another reason? The EU itself, an organisation with too little regard for the needs and wishes of its individual constituent countries and on a dangerous path towards federal control by a self-perpetuating bureaucracy.
RayL | 15.03.19 - 9:32 p.m. | #
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Your regular reminder that different people draw completely different conclusions from exactly the same situation, and that what one person thinks of as obvious another person thinks of as sheer lunacy, and vice versa, and that arguing the toss is generally both frustrating and futile.
diamond geezer | Homepage | 15.03.19 - 9:44 p.m. | #
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@RayL, Free movement cuts both ways. There are a lot of people who have retired to Spain who may want to come back, and will expect the NHS to look after them. And a lot of NHS staff will be going back home to Spain, Croatia, or wherever.
Not everyone voting Leave had exactly the same form of Brexit in mind, so some of them were bound to be disappointed. But there can only ever be one form of Status Quo, so Leavers did know exactly what they were voting for.
Timbo | 15.03.19 - 10:08 p.m. | #
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Glad that over with...now we can get back to more serious matters
Vin | 16.03.19 - 9:47 a.m. | #
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@RayL, There are wide array of possibilities to eject even EU citizens from UK territory, assuming they had some rational reason for doing so -- and yes, this explicitly includes drawing on welfare benefits for a time disproportionate to their time spent working in the country. The EU treaty on free motion of people explicitly contains provisions for this, provisions the UK simply choose not to avail themselves to.
The problem is not the EU. The problem is our own government.
Chz | 16.03.19 - 10:07 a.m. | #
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I should have said remainers knew exactly what they were voting for - it was the Leavers who were choosing to "Open the Box"
Timbo | 16.03.19 - 5:00 p.m. | #
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