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I have only used Stratford station a few times. I have managed, but would have appreciated this diagram. I agree that for most users it is probably unhelpful, for all the reasons stated.
Unfortunately renumbering the platforms is out of the question, because of the safety implications and cost of the changes to train signalling that would be necessary.
Malcolm of Kent | 15.06.21 - 7:20 a.m. | #
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My favourite short cut was through a westbound central line train on platform 3 to get out. They missed an opportunity when DLR relaced NLL. If the track had been lowered a slight bridge might have been possible over the DLR, opening whole new pedestrian opportunities.
scrumpy | 15.06.21 - 7:56 a.m. | #
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There used to be a much simpler diagram that simply told you which platform for which line/direction. Of course, that relied on a passenger finding and following arrows to the platform in question. The list of stations puts me in mind of Clapham Junction, which has had a list like that for years.
(Obligatory pedantry: Bures is not accessible directly from Stratford; you have to change at Marks Tey.)
dg writes: updated, thanks.
Occasional Stratford user | 15.06.21 - 8:07 a.m. | #
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What I think is missing from the diagram is where to find yellow oyster readers, to properly start/end a journey when changing trains (e.g. long distance Greater Anglia on an advance to Overground on contactless, or more importantly, vice versa*).
Pink readers easy to find. Yellow ones in the core of the station less so.
Milest | 15.06.21 - 8:25 a.m. | #
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Signs at the decision points saying, e.g (from the Jubilee/northbound DLR concourse, platforms 13-16) pointing straight on for Platforms 1-3, 5-10. and up the stairs for platforms 3A, 4, 4A,10A, 11, 12 and 17 would be simpler.
timbo | 15.06.21 - 8:30 a.m. | #
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TfL loves platform numbers. I find them entirely pointless. Sure, they probably need the platforms to have numbers for various reasons, but if I'm looking for where to go then I don't want a number, I want to see "Central Line West" or "Victoria Line North", etc.
More than once I've overheard TfL staff explaining to someone what train to get to their destination and tell them a platform number. Then after ten seconds also tell them the line name and maybe colour, because of the blank look that they get.
The Stratford diagram seems a particularly bad case of this, and repeating the word "Platform" so many times in such a large font while keeping the names of the lines so tiny just hides the useful information.
ST | 15.06.21 - 8:41 a.m. | #
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It's years since I last used the station. I agree it is complicated but would find the diagram very helpful. The absence of a Platform 7 is immaterial because it won't appear in the station index. Once I was comfortable as to which direction was which when by the diagram showing 'You are here', I would assess whether I needed disabled access and which end of my next train I wished to join and off I would go. I actually think it is a model of clarity given the complexity of the station.
J. | 15.06.21 - 8:49 a.m. | #
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The last time I went to Stratford station was when to visit the newly-opened Jubilee Line extension so I can't speak to how useful the diagram is in terms of its relation to the layout.
What I will say is that the diagram is really ugly. Way too much white space and skinny little lines. I like the capitals on the index though - very retro.
Scott | Homepage | 15.06.21 - 8:59 a.m. | #
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I remain convinced that Stratford station is really just an eldritch abomination disguised as an unassuming railway station, with architecture and dimensions that fold in themselves.
TheLupineOne | 15.06.21 - 9:12 a.m. | #
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Nor does it help when Greenford should appear before Greenwich in the alphabetical station list and Hampstead Heath is spelt incorrectly,
Chris K | 15.06.21 - 9:24 a.m. | #
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useful. Would love an article on the history of Stratford station's development/ evolution.
Paddy | 15.06.21 - 9:56 a.m. | #
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I'm with ST on this. I have never used platform numbers for TfL services and simply look for the line and the direction of travel.
Anders | 15.06.21 - 10:29 a.m. | #
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So, is there no step-free access to Platform 12? Or is it accessible from somewhere else?
Harry Harrison | Homepage | 15.06.21 - 10:41 a.m. | #
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I once gave up trying to get a train here because of that diagram and just went somewhere else instead. And I regard myself as someone fairly rail savvy.
R2 | 15.06.21 - 10:51 a.m. | #
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I like to visualise routes before walking / travelling - so this diagram should help me work out where I'm going next time I'm in Stratford !
ADS | Homepage | 15.06.21 - 11:16 a.m. | #
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I am not bad at reading maps, including public transport maps and station diagrams, but this map is absurd.
Andrew | Homepage | 15.06.21 - 11:17 a.m. | #
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Good to see reference to the Elizabeth Line. So it IS going to happen!
H SE18 | 15.06.21 - 12:43 p.m. | #
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There is a ramp down from Platforms 1/2 to Platform 12, although you wouldn't know that from the diagram.
greatkingrat | 15.06.21 - 1:18 p.m. | #
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The discussion about platform 12 made me look again. The way "step-free access to platforms" is symbolised by wheelchair icons is utterly bonkers. What they should have shown is where the steps are. Then step-non-users could have looked for a route avoiding them, if any.
Malcolm of Kent | 15.06.21 - 1:33 p.m. | #
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While normally a fan of schematic diagrams what this would really benefit from is it being overplayed on map of the actual platforms (in line colours) Thus helping to orientate the passenger on where they need to go.
TonyO | 15.06.21 - 2:15 p.m. | #
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I avoid using Stratford when I can. It's a confused and poorly signed mess.
What does the lone wheelchair icon at top left signify?
dg writes: that's a set of escalators/lift.
Klepsie | 15.06.21 - 2:42 p.m. | #
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Incorrectly spelt stations:
» Becton
» Becton Park
» Hampsted Heath
» Hatfield Peveral
» West Hampsted
diamond geezer | Homepage | 15.06.21 - 3:45 p.m. | #
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I find the map good and rather useful.
Sure, it could really use a makeover making it look more like the kind of map you see in for example malls and similar, where the walkways is drawn as actual walkways and stairs, escalators, elevators and such are also drawn as such rather than a wheel chair symbol or abscence of a wheel chair symbol.
But the map is still really useful for finding the way to a certain platform.
Sure, platform numbers are rather useless for the Central Line and somewhat useless for the Jubilee Line and the DLR, but for the mainline railway it's useful. Departure boards show which platform trains depart from, and various tables also refer to platform numbers.
In particular during diversions and such it would be cumbersome to have lists of stations reachable from each platform instead of just have platform numbers on the signs.
It seems that in London there is a cultore against numbers and various names are prefered. London is afaik a rare exception in having names for the underground lines rather than numbers and/or letters like most other systems. Numbers and letters would be easier when there is a language barrier. As an example - even though people in Sweden are considered to be in the top five at speaking english as a second language, we struggle with some of the sounds like the th in Hammersmith is considered a speech defeict if used in Swedish. I imagine it is even harder for others. Meanwhile elsewhere lines usually have numbers and colors which are rather universal.
MiaM | 15.06.21 - 7:56 p.m. | #
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Let’s be grateful it doesn’t attempt to show the one way system operational at peak times.
Bert Ghosh | 15.06.21 - 8:32 p.m. | #
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Gallions Reach should be above Gants Hill, and Heron Quay should be plural.
Gerry | 15.06.21 - 9:04 p.m. | #
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I agree with:
- MoK, that step-free access should be the default, with stepped access marked;
- MiaM, that line numbers/letters make a lot of sense; and
- many commenters, that the diagram and destination index are a lot better than nothing, but could be a lot better.
Betterbee | 16.06.21 - 9:48 a.m. | #
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Platform numbers are very relevant on the Jubilee at Stratford and Stanmore - it's how you know where to go for the next train. But remember the platforms at Stanmore are arranged 2, 1, 3 when viewed from the stairs and it's a longer walk to the train on platform 3!
Michael Roberts | 16.06.21 - 9:54 a.m. | #
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Perhaps the map designers are working on a sequel version for the peak hours one way circulation setup.
Long Branch Mike | 18.06.21 - 4:09 p.m. | #
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In addition to incorrectly spelt stations in the station list Lea Bridge is shown as Lea Bridge Road !!
Richard of Snaresbrook | 20.06.21 - 10:32 a.m. | #
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A few years ago I used to arrive on P6 in the evening peak (eastbound Central line) and depart P17 (southbound DLR).
I would make sure I was in the front carriage, access the 'dead end' subway to swap to P3, and use the next westbound Central line train as a bridge over to P3A, right by the South Ticket Hall escalator.
It was far far easier, quicker, and less crowded than the 'main' subways... and it's not a route shown on the new diagram!
Ryan | 21.06.21 - 11:29 a.m. | #
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Wanstead is shown as Wansted
Richard Awde | Homepage | 23.06.21 - 4:17 p.m. | #
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Updated list...
Incorrectly spelt stations:
» Becton
» Becton Park
» Hampsted Heath
» Hatfield Peveral
» Heron Quay
» Lea Bridge Road
» Wansted
» West Hampsted
diamond geezer | Homepage | 23.06.21 - 5:04 p.m. | #
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