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A silk purse out of a sow's ear. Minor observation: there are a couple of de la Meres that should be de la Mares.
dg writes: Updated, thanks.
DavidC | 03.01.20 - 7:50 a.m. | #
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I may have to write a sternly worded e-mail to SE Twenty Cafe for its incorrect name.
Scott | Homepage | 03.01.20 - 8:04 a.m. | #
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The Walter dlM/Crapper blue plaque combo must be up there with Hendrix/Handel for cool factor.
Not my speciality by far but always thought de la Mare’s poetry was pretty powerful stuff and who doesn’t appreciate efficient plumbing.
Kevin | 03.01.20 - 8:24 a.m. | #
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Perhaps I am not the only one wondering how in the world SE20 can be Anerley when postcodes in London are sorted alphabetically.
Wikipedia has the answer:
'SE19 was drawn up to serve the key distribution office serving Norwood after a complete alphabetical series so that those surrounding it and SE21 (Dulwich): SE20 and SE22 to SE27 are strictly alphabetical afresh (Anerley to West Norwood) but it has never technically been a "head district".
If the SE district were numbered normally, Anerley would be SE3. Funny world that would be
barbicanman | 03.01.20 - 8:51 a.m. | #
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“geographically incorrect coffee” - I’m already feeling more optimistic about the 2020s.
Toni | 03.01.20 - 9:13 a.m. | #
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The tram depot closed when the 654 trolleybus was extended from West Croydon to Crystal Palace from 9th February 1936, although London Transport may have retained the property for other purposes.
Anerley was also the last depot operating open topped trams.
The tram depot site is listed as Camber Works (Food Products) on the 1944-1967 map.
Still Anon | 03.01.20 - 9:25 a.m. | #
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fascinating details from an un-promising area - the links kept me reading for 30 mins. Thank you DG
IanJ | 03.01.20 - 9:47 a.m. | #
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I enjoyed No. 31 Ash Grove. I love the idea of how much it must be annoying the neighbours.
E | 03.01.20 - 10:17 a.m. | #
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We have fond memories of Anerley. Daughter and partner bought their first home in Cranliegh Close, near Betts Park and the vestigial canal. In many dog walks around the area, we failed to spot any of the other curiosities which DG has found. But it did seem to be a nice liveable suburb.
Malcolm | 03.01.20 - 10:32 a.m. | #
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I was surprised to find the greatest local attraction left out of your SE20 survey, namely Crystal Palace Park. This is admittedly mostly in SE19, but my Ordnance Survey Street Atlas has a slice of it (including the lake) in SE20, and a Google search for Crystal Palace Park gives the address as Thicket Road SE20.
Ian Paton | 03.01.20 - 10:38 a.m. | #
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My map has Crystal Palace Park in SE19.
Even if it were in SE20 then it's in Penge not Anerley and I'd have ignored it anyway, sorry.
diamond geezer | Homepage | 03.01.20 - 10:49 a.m. | #
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I now know much more than I ever did before about the area where I spent the first year of my life. Thank you.
Sarah | Homepage | 03.01.20 - 12:34 p.m. | #
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You didn't mention the Sherlock Holmes connection with the Anerley Arms as it was mentioned in the Norwood Builder. The pub itself has references to both the canal and the pleasure gardens and the tale itself. It's also has a remarkably well preserved Victorian interior with intact snob screens.
There are also other remnants of the canal in existence with the Bett's park bit being the poorest example as the canal meandered more like a river than in a channel. Other bits can be found in SE23, SE25 and BR3.
GraemeSE | 03.01.20 - 1:44 p.m. | #
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Penge tram depot was built for the South Metropolitan Tramways who operated extensions to the Croydon Council Tram routes outside the Croydon County Borough area to Crystal Palace and Penge (Thicket Road). It passed to London Transport in 1933 and was closed on 6th December 1933 when its operations passed to depots in Carshalton and Thornton Heath. It was retained until 1936 to scrap redundent tramcars.
I believe Norwood (SE19) had its own Head Postmaster; its greater status gave it a war memorial of polished wood with gilt lettering rather than a paper scroll in a glass case as at South Norwod (SE25). The Norwood memorial was on the staircase of the old Post Office in Westow Street and is, I believe, now in the new delivery office.
SE20s main Post Office was (and is) in Penge, Anerley never being more than a sub-office. SE20 is probably named Anerley as the Postmen's Office was sitauted there in Ridsdale Road. It is now in Blenheim Road, Penge.
Does anyone know if the numbers SE19-SE27 were allocated later than the other area numbers, possibly when HPO Norwood was amalgamated into London SEDO?
dg writes: Yes, 1868 rather than 1857.
Alan S | 03.01.20 - 1:51 p.m. | #
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The LOTS SUP20 for October 1934 lists the depot as Anerley, as far as I can tell it only operated the 5 which ran between West Croydon and Crystal Palace, it appears that trams reversed at Anerley, although the map you link to appears to show they didn't have to - perhaps this was in connection with the steepness of Anerley Road.
Still Anon | 03.01.20 - 3:18 p.m. | #
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Not that I'm obsessed or anything, but I've managed to find an old photo of an old open-topped tram heading to the old Robin Hood terminus in Anerley.
Mungbean | 03.01.20 - 7:22 p.m. | #
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I remember regularly visiting the old Anerley library as a child when it was situated in a modern single storey, possibly flat roofed building in Betts Park. It later relocated to the old town hall and the previous building demolished I think.
As an aside I have interior photos of the old town hall as my parents had their wedding reception there in the early 1970s. Many locals were moved out of Anerley in the years that followed when the council - or possibly GLC - tore down lots of three- or four-storey privately rented Victorian homes and replaced them with modern council housing. My grandparents still had a tin bath in lieu of a plumber bathroom. My newly wed parents had three floors to themselves but neither the furniture or money to heat all those rooms. Still you have to wonder how the area would look now had those streets of Victorian terraces remained.
An | 03.01.20 - 7:29 p.m. | #
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> If only it had been on the opposite corner of Ravenscourt Road…
What bad luck!
*Ravenscroft Road #GeographicallyCorrect
Rich G | Homepage | 04.01.20 - 1:11 a.m. | #
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Re Croydon Canal
Another section has survived in Dacres Wood Nature Reserve in Sydenham. But its closed most of the time.
A third final part of the canal - just the embankment - can be clearly seen at the back of Honour Oak Crematorium
Le Ver | 05.01.20 - 5:28 p.m. | #
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The lakes in Norwood and Elmer's End were also originally designed as feeders for the canal.
The canal through the Honor Oak stretch still comes out at 2 cottages that were there at the time just up the road from the station.
There is a picture I have seen somewhere from the Honor Oak bit looking back to Shooter's Hill which can still be seen near the exit from the cemetery by the station.
To human of 3 Jan 7:29pm vintage, you may be interested in this bfi video. Then again you may not.
Graeme | 05.01.20 - 9:47 p.m. | #
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Thank you for this entertaining and accurate write up of the suburb I live in.
The SE20 café caused a degree of local amusement/consternation when it revealed its name, in particular because BR3 residents tend to be quite possessive of their Beckenham identity, even when (as in this area) they're right on the fringes of the district.
simonk133 | 10.01.20 - 2:51 p.m. | #
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An ex used to work in the Robin Hood pub, before our time together. She said it was most likely an insurance job rather than an accidental fire.
The Sam Smiths pub is apparently the most southerly Sam Smiths. It's quite nice, but I can't support the owner's ideas about mandatory socialising.
Douglas Fir is good.
Sykobee | 22.01.20 - 4:51 p.m. | #
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