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Interesting observation. So in some cases, it makes sense to have two different Oyster cards, one for Zone 1 journeys and one for everything else.
TommyL4 | 25.09.21 - 7:09 a.m. | #
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I don't think that's how capping works - you should only pay the cost of the Z1 journey plus the cost of the Z2-Z6 (or whatever) cap.
At least that’s how daily capping always worked. I’ve never knowingly reached a weekly cap.
It’s actually possible to qualify for multiple caps simultaneously, which makes it somewhat complicated to calculate.
Graham | 25.09.21 - 7:33 a.m. | #
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Too confusing for my addled brain to comprehend. So pleased I have a Freedom Pass!
Bob S | 25.09.21 - 7:38 a.m. | #
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You still have the risk of unresolved journeys and getting hit with maximum fares, so I would still prefer a travelcard.
Alan | 25.09.21 - 7:49 a.m. | #
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Fret not. "As well as providing weekly capping, the new technology will also make it easier for taps that have been accidentally missed to be refunded."
diamond geezer | Homepage | 25.09.21 - 7:53 a.m. | #
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For a significant number of people, the only easy way for a refund is a person in a station that can sort the issue on a machine there and then.
And for people with precarious finances or travel patterns that don't align to monday-sunday, weekly capping isn't an improvement on a 7 day prepaid travel card. Significant overlap between precarious finances and oyster users.
MilesT | 25.09.21 - 8:29 a.m. | #
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The cap is a cap. What you actually pay is the fare.
Bryn Davies | 25.09.21 - 8:59 a.m. | #
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Like Tommy, I'm not sure the last example re buses/trams all week then a single trip to Z1 is correct. In my experience the system is smarter, and would charge for a bus cap and a single trip to Z1. But I of course have not tried this particular combo on Oyster, so you may well be right.
Ed | 25.09.21 - 9:07 a.m. | #
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London's and England's train pricing is absurd. It's probably down to Thatcher. I don’t understand why you have such a complicated London fare system and such an absurd England wide fare system. It should be a standard fare between London and Edinburgh, booked weeks ahead to make sure you can travel, or last minute if as seat is available.
Andrew | Homepage | 25.09.21 - 11:45 a.m. | #
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Post updated, thanks, to add more uncertainty about how the best capping option is calculated.
diamond geezer | Homepage | 25.09.21 - 1:37 p.m. | #
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Just in time, as large swathes of the capital's workforce no longer go into Zone 1 five days a week! It's still welcome, and there *are* loads of people who will benefit. It just seems like something that would've been a lot more useful 2 years ago.
Chz | 25.09.21 - 3:07 p.m. | #
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"Weekly capping for those with Zip cards and other discounts is expected to launch during 2022 following further technical development" (from the linked Oyster Fares post)
So basically, this doesn't help the only people who actually NEED to use oyster.
Felix | 25.09.21 - 3:55 p.m. | #
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> But I can find no published evidence that this is actually the case,
Does this FOI response count as published evidence?
akm | 25.09.21 - 7:20 p.m. | #
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The FoI refers to daily capping rather than weekly, but I suspect the same approach applies, thanks.
The response descends into opaque complex jargon after sentence one, but the opening is clear enough...
"Contactless uses the best value combination of cap and extension fare for the journeys made."
diamond geezer | Homepage | 25.09.21 - 7:26 p.m. | #
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The way the Oyster PAYG daily cap algorithm works, and I'm sure I've seen this in a FOIA and experimented with it in practice is:
1. The card stores separate totals for all available caps. They need to be reset at the beginning of each day, presumably on the first touch.
2. To charge a journey, start with the normal PAYG fare. Compare it to all applicable cap totals. If it would cause any of them to be exceeded, reduce it to the largest amount that wouldn't (which may be zero).
3. Deduct the resulting fare from the user's balance.
4. Increment all applicable cap totals by the amount actually charged.
The contactless and weekly systems are implemented differently but will produce the same result.
re your update. It is (or was, pre-Hopper) very easy to hit the daily bus cap, do a tube journey, and the next bus journey would still be free. People would absolutely have noticed if it wasn't.
Graham | 25.09.21 - 7:35 p.m. | #
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