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A non-TfL red bus? I didn’t know these existed. I wonder how the 84 keep its red when most non-TfL buses got reliveried into other colours?
It would be a bit of a surprise to try to catch It with an Oyster card.
Dan | 09.02.22 - 7:19 a.m. | #
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I'm pretty sure I used to get to Hertfordshire Uni via an 84. There may have been another bus involved at the St Albans - Hatfield end, but it was one of the cheapest ways to get there from where I lived, although took forever.
Jayne | 09.02.22 - 7:30 a.m. | #
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It was a London bus route prior to 1982 but was transferred to London Country and operated from their St Albans garage for four years. Since 1986 it has been again operated by London Buses and their privatised successors in the area (MTL and later Metroline) but under contract to Hertfordshire CC and later as a commercial operation. I seem to recall Metroline having some buses for non TfL services in a livery with much more blue than the predominantly red scheme seen in the photo, but I guess that having the whole fleet at Potters Bar in London red would allow greater flexibility. Route 242 (the one that runs between Potters Bar and Waltham Abbey that is) also has a similar history of being a London bus route but then not being a London bus route.
Phil | 09.02.22 - 7:42 a.m. | #
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Oh dear, see what you've done!
Someone in TfL read your satirical piece about them saving money by cutting bus routes that went out of TfL's area and decided to act on it ...
strawbrick | 09.02.22 - 7:50 a.m. | #
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10 miles? Pah. Down here in Sunny Sussex you'll get less than 5 miles (Bognor-Climping) for your stonking £5, OK £4.90.
Lorenzo | 09.02.22 - 8:42 a.m. | #
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Like Dan, in the unlikely event of me ever being in the area, I too would have seen a red bus and just jumped on assuming my Oyster would still be valid.
Tim | 09.02.22 - 8:49 a.m. | #
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That's an old photo. Metroline generally use buses in a different livery on their non TfL services now.
A shame, but the 84 isn't attractive as a commercial route when the train from New Barnet is much faster, while the 298 from Arnos Grove via Cockfosters is a TfL route, with TfL fares AND Hopper tickets, so you change onto it using the same hourly fare.
Mikey C | 09.02.22 - 9:07 a.m. | #
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Metroline introduced a significantly reduced timetable in March 2020, but lockdown was introduced on the day it was supposed to start so it just operated the new Sunday schedules for several weeks.
Although the Thameslink option has always been there, changing at Kings Cross/St. Pancras is now far less faff for travel between Potters Bar and St. Albans.
School traffic might save the route, but Sullivan or UNO might provide alternatives, but TfL may cover at least the Barnet - Potters Bar garage section, but school route 626 already goes out there to some degree.
Still Anon | 09.02.22 - 9:14 a.m. | #
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Dang. I'd been thinking of a ride, partly to see if my TfL Staff Pass would be accepted on it. As I started work when LT still ran it I may have some sort of legacy entitlement. Better get a move on I suppose.
Andrew S | 09.02.22 - 10:12 a.m. | #
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Is the equivalent journey by train less than £5.
If there's not much difference in it I can see that the train would win out for speed.
Cornish Cockney | 09.02.22 - 10:30 a.m. | #
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New Barnet to Potters Bar by Oyster/Contactless is between £2:40 and £2:50 so cheaper than the commercial bus fare!
Mikey C | 09.02.22 - 11:21 a.m. | #
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Congrats on having the energy to write a post at all after such cleaning and tidying efforts; I’d have been flat-out on the sofa with a glass of something or snoozing. Or maybe you were, and just balanced the laptop on your stomach to write this...
Labourer | 09.02.22 - 11:26 a.m. | #
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I still primarily associate this bus with your orbital trip nearly 8 years ago.
Maybe they should have included Potters Bar in Greater London alongside the rest of Middlesex, instead of kicking it out to Herts.
Patrickov | 09.02.22 - 12:32 p.m. | #
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Found this list of buses that leave London for parts "foreign".
dg writes: my list is less bloated.
Andrew Jarman | 09.02.22 - 2:43 p.m. | #
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You beat the BBC to this story.
Frank F | 09.02.22 - 5:34 p.m. | #
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BBC - overall accurate, but its only served Potters Bar since 1986, and why use such an old photo (1978-1980) from when it was a London Transport route - as it contradicts the story about it being de-registered and HCC seeking alternatives, and I wouldn't have written it like that.
Still Anon | 09.02.22 - 6:56 p.m. | #
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I remember taking the 84 as part of a school boy day out from East London. We used a Red Bus Rover ticket and 3 buses from Ilford to get to St Alban's. I remember planning it all out using a foldable London Transport bus map, which covered the entire network.
Myself and my two friends were Nine. We went there and back with no problems or even concerns from our parents. 1968 was a different world.
Fat_boy_pete | 11.02.22 - 3:07 p.m. | #
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84 saved?
Frank F | 12.02.22 - 7:11 a.m. | #
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