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It's "stuff east London" isn't it? Still, you get what you pay for, I for one "held my nose" in 2008 and didn't vote for BJ.

Mind you the grandiously-titled "Transit" schemes were rubbish, what started off as segregated tram or trolleybus services ended up as mere buses with a few off-street sections and which would have never encouraged a car-to-public transport transfer.

The DLR Dagenham Dock extension is the most seriously casualty, expect more success for certain politcal extremists in this benighted backwater.

"After Bonfire Night came Bonfire Day"

Didn't you steal that off this evening's BBC London News bulletin?

It's quite a shame though to see these transport projects mothballed. Some of them sound like good ideas. For example, they have trams running through the main shopping streets in many cities in Europe and even in places like Nottingham, and they certainly help in alleviating congestion. Therefore it's a pity that BoJo has decided to more or less cancel them completely. The High Street 2012 scheme also seemed to be a vital project for rejuvenating the East End in time for the Olympics, so it's surprising to see that lying in the gutter as well.

Ah well. Never mind, eh?

No Andrew, I didn't.
The bonfire idea came from Val Shawcross.

And it's feckless reactions like "Ah well, never mind, eh?" that help this sort of transport meltdown along.

Remember 1987? City-boys in the ascendant funded by a [soon to be discovered as-] unsustainable property boom? Well, not so different from 2007, then.

But in 1987 Maggie, Heseltine and the LDDC gave us the DLR, built on the cheap to encourage the pinstripes into the uncharted wastes of the Island. And it was much-derided for being a toytown railway by the commuters, but much-loved by daytrippers for its stunning views of the new Docklands and its easy connection to Greenwich (via the foot tunnel) and to Stratford for connections all over London.

And slowly, it grew into a real railway, adding a link right into the City, and out into the wilds of Cyprus and Beckton, and under the river to Greenwich, Lewisham and soon Woolwich. And all this was done bit-by-bit, almost by stealth, without massive feasibility studies à la Crossrail, and without bankrupting LRT/TfL.

And a further, relatively cheap, extension was planned - no tunnelling - to open up probably the most inaccessible area - and one of the most deprived - in the whole of London.

And a further extension of the DLR to the West End and Victoria has been mooted.

And now Boris has summarily cancelled the almost-organic growth of the DLR and, in true short-sighted Tory style, his decision means that when the project is resurrected, it'll probably cost 3 times as much. Remember Crossrail would have been virtually built by now, and for about 1/3 of the price, if a few Tories hadn't blocked it in the '90s.

I had thought Boris an amiable right-wing buffoon; now I know why I didn't vote for him.

If you look back at history, it would have been a far better approach to keep the projects that have been binned ticking over slowly: with a lengthy recession looming, this country has previous form for attempting to stimulate the national economy by pumping money into infrastructure construction: it happened with the Cockfosters extension of the Piccadilly line at the end of the Great Depression, and more recently, the slump at the start of the 90s gave the Major government the incentive to get the Jubilee line extension underway.

Now they have been canned - and the Cross River Tram is a particular loss for me - London will be struggling to find worthwhile projects for a (relatively) quick start should central government turn on the financial taps in the next few years.

Boris - the man is a joke and out of touch.

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These projects were the perfect example of Keynesian economics - to stimulate the economy, government spending should rise to account for the fall in spending by ordinary people!

It's a shame to see some of the projects disappear, but I for one won't be missing the Oxford St Tram. Seemed a complete waste of money when you could have hugely less expensive buses run down the street instead: if I was in charge I'd terminate all buses at either Marble Arch or Centrepoint and then have a regular (FREE) bus which connects the two, in effect concentrating numerous bus routes into one.

Dagenham dock extension will be missed (seem to remember it wasn't particularly expensive compare to crossrail) and as for HS2012, wonder if the ODA will pay instead?

...still he made us all laugh on 'Have I Got News For You'. One of the infuriating things about the election of our esteemed Mayor was that people seemed to have no idea what the mayor is actually responsible for. Keep an eye on his housing policies and see how new social housing will soon be distributed across London. I predict you won't see too much of it in the more affluent, Tory heartlands.

Trams would have worked much better than buses on Oxford Street - no paying on board stuff to slow them down, LOTS of doors to get people on and off.

Can't agree that Oxford Street will be a nicer place on 6 December though - by accident I was at last years car free event. There were just so many people it was almost scary. Great for the shops no doubt!

What a lot of people who should have known better forgot at the election was - HE'S A TORY.
Why has the transport system in London got to this state of saturation and dilapidation?
Because, for years, the Conservative Government refused to invest properly in public transport.
He may be a funny bloke but the jokes back on us because it's happening again.

How very unsurprising.

Except to note that Barking and (especially) Dagenham voted overwhelmingly FOR Boris.

Contemptible decisions

All is not lost though, those lovely conservative voters in Westminster will get a nice new tunnel and a new pedestrianised "French boulevard" style play ground on Park Lane, won't they?

I don't know what you are moaning about really.

The whole country has been bingeing on unsustainable debt for 10 years - we need to stop pissing money up the wall, and if it means cancelling a few transport projects then so be it. It's as simple as that. Caroline Pidgeon's comments about seeking other, private sources of funding are laughable in their naivety. No one has got a pot to piss in, let alone millions to spend on trams.

I speak as a Camberwell resident who would have benefited from the Cross River Tram.

Anyone coining such a revolting word as "disbenefit" should be publicly pelted with pigeon droppings. Sale of tickets for the spectacle would finance no end of useful projects. Job done!

Bonfire of the vanities?

ganching - your insticts are correct I'm afraid. Boris's housing strategy has been to scrap the 50\\% London-wide affordable target and to give individual targets to each of the boroughs.

Unsurprisingly this has resulted in Labour councils being asked to provide on average of 865 new affordable homes per year, Liberal Democrat boroughs 435 and Tory-run boroughs just 372.

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The DLR is the real loss, as Kenromford points out. There's a team with a proven record that's going to be thrown in the bin. Some reward for a consistent excellent record and a solid track record for making the world a better place. Meanwhile Boris promotes the second-rate and short-sighted. Welcome to Tory Britain.

The only good thing about a Tory Britain and I mean the ONLY good thing will be not having to listen to these braying idiots talking about "this despicable labour government" any more.

If you call mopping up the mess of under investment caused by 18 years of Tory misrule and sod everyone but the shareholders mentality (which, as Kings Cross showed us in 1987 can almost cross the line into murder) "pissing money up the wall" then so be it, show me the urinal.

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Before I were to come out with emotive opinions, I'd like to look at the figures - expenditure, cost and projections for the various projects, both those cancelled and those going ahead.

I do wonder whether Ken's ambitions were simply financially over ambitious or not and whether his numbers added up, without putting us in hock for a generation. I say 'I wonder', as I don't actually know.

In the same vein, I can see the Tories being blamed for a fair chunk of Labour's mismanagement of the economy for the last 11 years.

Whether Ken's plans were too financially ambitious, I can't say. But Boris has scrapped some money making schemes - the £25 "gas guzzler" charge, the Venezuelan oil deal (which will cost us a substantial amount of money for breaking) and has also shaved money off TfL's budget to pay for initiatives about knife crime.

The Routemaster will also cost cash - research by London TravelWatch believes scrapping bendy buses will cost a significant amount because they'll need more buses on the road to provide the same capacity. And of course any new Routemaster (should it ever get in service) needs conductors, thus pushing staff costs up for the buses, so if that goes through its pretty much a dead cert that bus costs will go up at that point.

It's quite possible Ken would be scrapping schemes at this stage if he was still in power. Alternatively he might still be fighting to keep them, and trying to wrangle more money from central government. Who knows?











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