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I expect there was another UK population dip between 1841 and 1851 as over 1 million died and over 1 million left Ireland due to An Gorta Mór.
Back in the present, I have echoed your last paragraph's sentiment through my day job. Among many other things I am the Census Liaison Manager for (XXX) Borough Council and we have been sharing that message with our residents. "Complete the Census to help us realise the right funding to deliver all the services you need". We'll soon see whether they have been listening.
THC | 21.03.21 - 7:21 a.m. | #
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For the UK population figures it looks like in 1801 "UK" covers only England, Scotland and Wales (the island of Ireland had roughly 5.5M people in 1801), from 1851-1921 it also covers all of Ireland, and from 1931 it covers the current UK. Is that correct?
dg writes: Not quite.
Huw B | 21.03.21 - 7:52 a.m. | #
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I’m a transport planner and we rely heavily on the census data to understand where and how people travel (to work). This means the 2021 data is going to be pretty useless.
David | 21.03.21 - 7:55 a.m. | #
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Thanks for the reminder, DG. Have just taken 10 minutes to complete my entries on line. I can see households with multiple adults (I'm thinking of you, Cornish Cockney!) needing an hour or so to fill in all the answers for every resident.
Man of Kent | 21.03.21 - 8:18 a.m. | #
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So England's populaton has roughly doubled in 120 years, but the other parts of the UK have only increased by 20%?
Paul | 21.03.21 - 8:21 a.m. | #
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Do you have to drink all the milk to know what it tastes like?
The science of extrapolating from small samples has improved a lot since 1801.
Malcolm of Kent | 21.03.21 - 8:31 a.m. | #
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A mini-census was taken in 1939, usually known as the 1939 Register, to determine the need for ration books etc. This includes names, addresses and occupations. You can find much of this online (for a subscription), although as some people on that register are still with us, living individuals' records are blanked out. The 1939 Register fills some of the gap left by the destroyed 1931 census and never-taken 1941 census.
Alan S | 21.03.21 - 9:05 a.m. | #
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David: I suppose the census questionnaire would want people to answer their means of transport *if Covid wasn't there*? Which means the real change would be in those actually switched commuting methods permanently, which should probably be immensely useful for him.
Patrickov | 21.03.21 - 9:17 a.m. | #
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"If the census reveals London's population has fallen"... then maybe there will be less need to cover every spare bit of land in London with massive blocks of flats.
Mikey C | 21.03.21 - 10:04 a.m. | #
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I would have thought that the collapse in the post-war population of the East End was more due to the creation of New Towns like Harlow and Basildon rather than London's lack of appeal.
milliem | 21.03.21 - 10:08 a.m. | #
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The census was very clear that if things were Covid-affected, we should answer *as things are now*. This will make this an atypical and unrepresentative timeslice (hence the argument for another censrs in 2026) but an invaluable one for understanding the impact of Covid.
This is the fourth census I've been responsible for completing, but by far the most gratifying since I have started using census data (via the English IMD) in my teaching.
Sarah | Homepage | 21.03.21 - 10:13 a.m. | #
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In completing this yesterday, I was struck by how many of the questions the government already knows the answers to, if only they could connect the data silos up.
Ambient | 21.03.21 - 10:50 a.m. | #
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The questions seem very thin this year - nothing on additional languuages spoken or modes of transport to work. There are whispers of this being the final census.
cau1khead | 21.03.21 - 10:58 a.m. | #
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Man of Kent: I've told mine they can each fill in their own blooming entries!!
As a genealogist I'm heavily invested in the census. I think they're missing a trick here by not using it to gather valuable data about the effects of Covid on everyone etc.
I also think that as my borough leaders recently wrote to inform us that since 2010 the government have cut funding to my borough by whopping 97% (down to £1.5m - a loss of over £50m a year!) I'm convinced they'll use it to make even more cuts now.
Cornish Cockney | 21.03.21 - 11:04 a.m. | #
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cau1khead, which census were you filling in? There definitely are questions about languages spoken and mode of travel!
J | 21.03.21 - 11:59 a.m. | #
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I've requested (and received) the census form to fill in by hand - much easier than messing about online. Surprisingly, in some areas like Great Yarmouth, the paper form was automatically delivered to households, as in past years.
The details shown for Tower Hamlets are a good example of how useful the census can be for looking at the past and how specific events have changed an area over time. The same goes for occupation and nationality details.
rogmi | 21.03.21 - 1:51 p.m. | #
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I've kept copies of the last two or three census forms, so hopefully my descendants won't have to wait until 2121 to discover some of their family history.
JohnC | 21.03.21 - 2:23 p.m. | #
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One of the joys of using the census data is revelling in the wonderful scripts used in the past. Almost unfailingly artful copper plate presumably because you'd have your knuckles rapped in class if you produced spider scrawl.
Another is using a bit of detective work trying to read same when the writer didn't apply his (usually his) mind to the job.
Rightly or wrongly that has been taken away henceforth for reasons of expediency. Although it's not a bad idea as handwriting standards and legibility have collapsed due to lack of practice.
JP | 21.03.21 - 3:22 p.m. | #
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Dig into those Irish numbers and you'll find this:
1821 all of Ireland 6.8 million
2019 Republic or Ireland (est) 4.9 million
2019 Northern Ireland (est) 1.9 million
2019 TOTAL all Ireland (ests) 6.8 million
Thus, the population of the whole of Ireland is the same today as 200 years ago. Can that be said of any other European country?
AlanBG | 21.03.21 - 5:43 p.m. | #
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Having filled in my census form I was struck by how poor the questions were as a means of determining how the country is going to face the future. How anyone can make assumptions about funding for the future from the questions asked is not clear at all.
Tones | 21.03.21 - 5:43 p.m. | #
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rogmi - I read an article the other day that set out how they decided where to send paper forms out as a matter of course - based on various data about internet usage from service providers etc. Though if you got a paper form you could still do it online, and if you got an online letter, you could still request a paper form.
Sarah | Homepage | 21.03.21 - 9:20 p.m. | #
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I too was surprised to open a paper copy today. Why is the ethnicity still such imperialistic colonialist humbug. Pakistani is a nationality (homeland for the Muslims of British India), not an ethnicity. 50% of the population are of one ethnic origin, the following 30% three others. Continent of South America is not even mentioned.
scrumpy | 21.03.21 - 10:08 p.m. | #
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With Scotland and the Republic of Ireland not taking part this year, is it the first time since 1801 that the whole of Great Britain & Ireland hasn't been surveyed on the same day?
dg writes: No.
ADS | Homepage | 22.03.21 - 3:18 p.m. | #
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It looks like the census in Ireland didn't start until 1821 and there was a break in 1921 due to the war of independence / civil war, and then the 2001 census was delayed until 2002 due to disease. So not even close !
ADS | Homepage | 23.03.21 - 2:23 p.m. | #
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