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I trust they will remember to remove the "ULEZ from 25th Oct" signs. If not, in a few months, people may begin to think it means 2022 and have an unpleasant surprise!
Tim W. | 25.10.21 - 7:05 a.m. | #
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But my car........
mclm | 25.10.21 - 7:13 a.m. | #
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‘except for a few fortunate residents who live between the road and the river.’
I would call these unfortunate residents - as one of the non-car owning majority (in the zone) I would much rather live within the zone than outside it.
Mike on a bike | 25.10.21 - 7:18 a.m. | #
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The "intermittent visitor not being aware" problem - a low number of journeys to the point of insignificance - could be avoided by simply allowing each numberplate one transgression a year (or even month) free.
Putters | 25.10.21 - 7:30 a.m. | #
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Another random spark of consciousness ... does the ULEZ apply to London to Brighton veteran car run entrants? Bit of an edge case, I know.
Putters | 25.10.21 - 7:39 a.m. | #
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Putters: Similar to the MOT, if your car was first registered on or before 8 April 1979, you don’t need to pay the ULEZ charge.
Martin'O'Holcombe | 25.10.21 - 7:47 a.m. | #
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I wonder what TfL expect drivers to do when the Woolwich Ferry is out of action, as seems to happen pretty frequently. They could at least have the decency to provide a turning circle!
Phil SW11 | 25.10.21 - 8:12 a.m. | #
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The provision for historic vehicles is actually a rolling 40 years, so vehicles registered before 25/10/81 are now exempt (provided they are registered as of historic interest, not used commercially, etc.)
In Richmond, almost the entire borough is outside the Zone - but not the council's refuse facility. An outbreak of flytipping is feared.
Timbo | 25.10.21 - 8:20 a.m. | #
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Milk Street is a good example of one of the unfair parts of ULEZ.
Having to move your car because of a parking bay suspension can trigger a £12.50 charge.
MilesT | 25.10.21 - 9:06 a.m. | #
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I don’t know if ULEZ cameras and those used for speeding and the Congestion Charge recognise number plates with illegally spaced letters and numbers. I don’t have to look far to find them in Tower Hamlets but I never know if they’re for vanity reasons or to avoid fines.
finlay | 25.10.21 - 9:09 a.m. | #
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The 40 year historic vehicle window is rolled forward once per year, so currently vehicles registered before 1 January 1981 are exempt. That's the middle of W-reg, number plate spotters.
Graham | 25.10.21 - 9:47 a.m. | #
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Morris Minors have never been so popular...
Historic vehicles must make sense given the energy and material used to build a new car and recycle / dispose of an old one.
ap | 25.10.21 - 9:48 a.m. | #
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There's been a flurry of people on the radio this morning complaining that they've had to pay thousands to buy a new car. I get the impression some of them haven't thought through how many days' ULEZ charge they would have to pay before a new car actually saved them money. Perhaps that means the scheme is working.
The one poorly thought out bit for me is the coarse midnight cutover time, which will catch drivers with a second day's charge coming home after an evening out. Either an overlap or aligning with the 04:30 public transport time would have been fairer; there's no justification for penalising night-time polluters twice as much as rush-hour ones.
Andrew S | 25.10.21 - 9:49 a.m. | #
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This is going to a fascinating experiment to learn how willing people are going to be to accept a personal financial cost rather than a cost to the environment.
We're going to see this debate again and again in coming years.
Will | 25.10.21 - 10:03 a.m. | #
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“ but I do wonder how many one-off visitors to the capital are about to be stung with a one-off fine” - A family member who lives in the Midlands received a letter from TfL in the summer informing them of the new ULEZ. They have a car that would need to pay the charge. From that one piece of evidence I’d say TfL have attempted to mitigate against “I hadn’t heard about it” moan.
O | 25.10.21 - 10:15 a.m. | #
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My only issue is that the North and South Circulars are very different beasts. The North Circular goes a fair distance out from central London and is a clear boundary. The South Circular on the other hand circles far less of south London - in Wandsworth it almost goes along the Thames!
As a result far more of North London than South London is included making the zone rather unbalanced. The South Circular also is the last road you'd want to encourage more traffic to use...
Mikey C | 25.10.21 - 10:21 a.m. | #
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Far from being unbalanced, the area covered by the new charge is a pretty good match to where the worst pollution is - a lot more north than south.
diamond geezer | Homepage | 25.10.21 - 10:28 a.m. | #
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The 40 year old MOT exemption is not automatic. You have to apply for it and declare the vehicle has not been modified. I haven't done so as I prefer an annual safety check and I don't whether ULEZ would apply, but fortunately will probably never take my 50 year old as far as London.
kev | 25.10.21 - 11:20 a.m. | #
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As an asthmatic, non-car owning, non-driving resident of London inside the South Circular, I think this is bloody good.
If someone wants to pollute my lungs, then £12.50 a day seems a fair starting point.
AlanBG | 25.10.21 - 11:47 a.m. | #
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The likes of Streatham and Tooting, for example, do feel like places that ought to be inside the ULEZ though
Mikey C | 25.10.21 - 2:23 p.m. | #
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I can appreciate there being cameras to detect vehicles crossing or leaving the N and S Circular Roads to come into the new ULEZ zone, but what puzzles me is the huge number of cameras they must need to detect every vehicle movement WITHIN the zone. As I understand it, if I just drive round the corner from where I live within the zone, I'm liable to pay the full charge, there being no exclusion nor discount for residents. I guess there'll soon be websites with all the camera locations marked and suggested routes whereby you can avoid them!
Living inside the zone and bearing in mind an electric car would be too expensive and impractical, I worked out that, if I still planned to use a car as before, I could be paying up to £12.50 x 365 a year, which is about £4500. For that I could easily get an old compliant petrol car and trade in my existing diesel at a dealer outside London, where it could still be used, thus moving its recently identified pollution to another part of the country!
ActonMan | 25.10.21 - 2:28 p.m. | #
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I think the effect of non-compliant cars being sold outside London has been considered. But averaged over all the places the cars might end up, their pollution will affect fewer people.
I have a non-compliant car, which I will probably never (or hardly ever) wish to bring into the new area. But I am relieved to observe that if I ever do so, I will have up to three days after such an incursion, to pay only £12.50, rather than a fine.
Malcolm of Kent | 25.10.21 - 3:03 p.m. | #
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Other parts of the country (outside big cities) don't have the same air quality issues as London, so it feels right to me that ULEZ decisions at the moment are being made at a local level, where there is a problem.
Mikey C | 25.10.21 - 4:15 p.m. | #
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As a resident of N1 Islington, I am WELL happy about the ULEZ.
We sold our VW Golf Blue 2010 model (lovely car, low mileage, diesel, for which we paid NO road tax because it was once considered environmentally friendly) 6 months after we first heard about ULEZ. We have managed fine without a car ever since.
My lungs will be happy….
Neesi | 25.10.21 - 4:36 p.m. | #
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ANPR equipment will have little difficulty with illegally spaced characters, illegal fonts etc. 20 years ago when I was involved in the original congestion charging scheme we could achieve 95% recognition (if it wasn't snowing), and it will only have got better since then.
With the congestion charging scheme there were a few N-S and E-W roads with fixed cameras, plus a number of roving camera vehicles checking both moving and parked vehicles. I would guess that the same is true of the ULEZ too.
Peter | 25.10.21 - 6:27 p.m. | #
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Living directly on the South Circular where the next road is a long way further out I hope I haven’t drawn too short a straw.
Sprout Eater | 25.10.21 - 7:45 p.m. | #
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Meanwhile Mayor Khan’t allows TfL to cut bus timetable frequencies.
Kim | 26.10.21 - 1:04 a.m. | #
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The traffic levels do not seem to have decreased. All that can be seen are queues of newer cars. Only time will tell if health impacts are reduced.
citc | Homepage | 07.11.21 - 11:01 a.m. | #
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Now to visit my parents I have to go out to the M25 from South London, and go around to the M11 to go North. Before it would be via the south circular, blackwall tunnel and A12. It's likely not too much longer, but it's a bit of a pain.
(I'm going this weekend, so thought I'd check the ULEZ, I thought the major through roads were exempt but they're not).
Sykobee | 23.11.21 - 8:28 p.m. | #
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