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Are there similar data for the Woolwich Ferry? Be good to compare numbers.

Dan | 30.01.13 - 7:03 a.m. | #

How does one deal with something that is pointless and unnecessary? Was costly to build, and costly to maintain. The question arises about how far sponsorship goes and what responsibility that sponsor has towards a project. There are currently two of these sponsored transport modes, Barclays (Boris) bikes and the cable car in question. It might be interesting to compare and contrast the two, even though they are different in form, they are still transport in function.

Rick | Homepage | 30.01.13 - 7:22 a.m. | #

Yeah lets knock the Cable Car agaim.

While were about it lets knock every new thing happening to East London, because East London needs knocking doesn't it?

After all it's about time it was put down it's started to recover at last after WW2 and we can't have that can we?

Agent Z | 30.01.13 - 8:39 a.m. | #

Donate it to Cairngorm to replace the access road, it causes them no end of grief in clearance every time it snows.

Another Andrew | 30.01.13 - 9:14 a.m. | #

Isobel Dedring during her recent appearance at the London Assembly seminar on new river crossings for East London claimed the cable car as part of the options available to walkers and cyclists who will not be allowed to use the Silvertown tunnel.This would be the case were it not for the perverse fare structure. It is surely a no brainer for any putative mayoral candidate to offer to bring this anomaly to an end - indeed if the Mayor feels his chances of being the next Prime Minister slipping wawy he might like to do it himself as a prelude to his third Mayoral term.

Mwmbwls | Homepage | 30.01.13 - 9:24 a.m. | #

Consider it art, then it can be viewed in a new light.

Blue Witch | Homepage | 30.01.13 - 9:25 a.m. | #

@Dan,

I don't know the exact numbers but I do know that the Cable Car has not carried single lorry or car since opening whereas the decks on the ferries on the Woolwich Ferry service are packed practically all the time. It also carries a few passengers.

Pedantic of Purley | 30.01.13 - 9:36 a.m. | #

Is there any other cable car, anywhere in the world, with such a low price?

Just wondered.

Malcolm | 30.01.13 - 10:55 a.m. | #

The Roosevelt Island Tramway apparently costs $2.25 for a one-way trip, which is about £1.43. I don't think there's any way to get a trip on the London cable car that cheaply.

Ben Harris | Homepage | 30.01.13 - 11:34 a.m. | #

@ Malcolm - the cable car that serves the Alemao favela in Rio gives residents one free return trip per day (source BBC news report). A 2010 report says costs are otherwise R$1 (32p) a trip. This looks to be far cheaper and much more useful, given the inability to provide road based public transport, for the residents. The system has 6 stations and is 3.5km long.

http://www.supervia.com.br/teleferico.php

PC | 30.01.13 - 11:35 a.m. | #

Apologies: I made two mistakes above. First, Wikipedia is out of date, and MTA fares (on which Roosevelt Island Tram fares are based) are now $2.50 (£1.58) per journey. Meanwhile, in London if you're a child making at least five trips per week, then the "5+ Reward" gives you a long-term average cost of 80p/journey on the London cable car.

So if you're a child (over 3 foot 8 tall or unaccompanied) making 5 to 22 journeys per week, then the London cable car is cheaper than the Roosevelt Island Tram. Otherwise it's more expensive.

Ben Harris | Homepage | 30.01.13 - 12:01 p.m. | #

Isobel Deadloss (another imported American) of TFL might explain why the cable car is regularly disrupted by high wind and 'tall ships passing underneath'. Shouldn't these factors have been taken into account during the design stage?

Kim | 30.01.13 - 12:29 p.m. | #

I think that the graph shows the seasonal variation in ridership and perhaps let's see what happens when there is a full year or two of data. You can't draw conclusions until non-Olympic weeks summer data is available for 2013.

xmb53 | 30.01.13 - 12:55 p.m. | #

I'm waiting to see if it makes it onto the EastEnders map at the top of the show.

rashbre | Homepage | 30.01.13 - 2:16 p.m. | #

@xmb53: As a tourist attraction, certainly you can't draw conclusions until after this coming summer.

As a regular part of London's public transport network though, there is already ample evidence that it just isn't.

I have no beef against building tourist attractions in London. I do have problems with tax money intended for public transport being used for the purpose.

Chris M | 30.01.13 - 2:21 p.m. | #

@rashbre: I believe the answer is "no it won't" because the BBC or whoever makes Stenders wanted payment for changing the title scenes.

Paul | 30.01.13 - 3:36 p.m. | #

Service on the dangle way this afternoon

No service running on the Emirates Air line at Greenwich Peninsula. due to adverse weather conditions (very strong winds)

Old Railway Man | 30.01.13 - 4:13 p.m. | #

It is very difficult to say what is the cheapest cable car in the world, because so many of them are included in packages. For example, when I visited the Dachstein region of Austria last year, anyone staying in B&B or hotel or mountain hut accomodation in Ramsau or Schladming is automatically given a pass which gives free access to all cable cars, local buses, swimming pools and sevreal other facilities in the district.

The Dresden Schwebebahn is a sort of cable car - it's a funicular suspended monorail, so essentially a cable car with a very thick running cable! apparently costs EUR3 single, EUR4 return. A very similar principle is used by the Middlesborough Transporter Bridge - 70p for a pedestrian. But even that is beaten by Newport's transporter bridge, where pedestrians go FREE!

timbo | 30.01.13 - 5:02 p.m. | #

Incidentally, TfL's data page is currently wrong.

They've unintentionally included 19 December inbetween 15 and 22, and they've posted 22,904 passengers twice.

diamond geezer | Homepage | 30.01.13 - 5:31 p.m. | #

Wow. Newport Transporter Bridge. I totally didn't realise this had been re-opened. (Twice). It was a lifetime sadness that I would never be able to go on it again. Now I can! DG is life-changing! (Only problem is affording the fare or the petrol to Newport).

| 30.01.13 - 11:30 p.m. | #

But, but, but ... as DG pointed out in one of his recent posts the cable car was never planned to be busy from it's opening day; instead it was designed to provide infrastructure to make development of the local area more attractive. If in 10 years time customer numbers are still low then the criticism will be more justified.

That's also why the comparison to the new Overground extension is unfair. A better example would be with the opening of the original DLR; I'm pretty sure when the Isle of Dogs was nothing but a barren wasteland passenger numbers were low but no-one's complaining now. Similarly when the Met line extended through the countryside that is now Metroland or the Northern Line extended to the farmland of Morden initial passenger numbers would have been low but hindsight suggests they were right to have been built.

Whiff | 31.01.13 - 6:26 a.m. | #

I'd use if I didn't feel so vulnerable dangling in the take off flight path from London City Airport. Just takes one plane with engine problems and twang snap!

Tony | 31.01.13 - 10:17 a.m. | #

@Whiff, good point. but the DLR was part of a major construction project for the whole area, with residential development at the same time, and the light railway was meant for the new residents. Canary Wharf etc was not planned till later, the DLR was adequate for the predicted population to travel elsewhere. I don't think there's similar plans for the dangleway area yet, but as with Metroland, if you build it, they will come...perhaps.

amber | 31.01.13 - 11:58 a.m. | #

The cable car doesn't seem like the weather either. It was closed most of yesterday because of the high winds. It's also been closed for thunder, snow, too sunny, and also when some tall ships have passed.

Al | 31.01.13 - 3:28 p.m. | #











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