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If the typo really is the missing "line" after Mildmay in the key then that's daft.

ap | 29.11.24 - 8:16 a.m. | #

What a waste of money, they have had months to check the map and not difficult to spot the missing word. Somebody's head should roll.

Ric | 29.11.24 - 8:34 a.m. | #

The mayor might have found a way to avoid spending billions on new tunnels but connecting Silverlink with the East London line, together with converting the East London line for 'proper' trains, still cost a billion pounds - and that was for prices prevailing at the time.

Mind you, he did get a totally refurbished tunnel (again), new stations built on a viaduct, slab track (more expensive but cheaper to maintain), restored viaducts, new signalling and a new depot. The total probably does not include new trains which, I believe, were leased from the outset.

Pedantic of Purley | 29.11.24 - 8:37 a.m. | #

Pedantry I know. But the Overground does "nudge as far as the North Circular". Albeit only just. Barking is beyond the A406, the bridge across the Overground is about a mile west of Barking.

IslandDweller | 29.11.24 - 8:57 a.m. | #

I apologise for writing that 12 years ago, and am aghast that no pedant picked up on it at the time.

diamond geezer | Homepage | 29.11.24 - 9:01 a.m. | #

So a route shown with two parallel lines on the map is an Overground Line, implying not as frequent as a Tube Line but still largely “turn up and go”.
Except for the Elizabeth Line, Croydon Tram, and the DLR.


Michael Jones | 29.11.24 - 9:14 a.m. | #

I picked up a one of the new pocket tube maps dated September 2024 (with typo) on Tuesday morning at Fairlop. Have I struck lucky?

Alan S | 29.11.24 - 9:16 a.m. | #

So thin are tube maps now that last Saturday I picked up six accidentally. A good investment hopefully.

daveid76 | 29.11.24 - 9:30 a.m. | #

The Overground is a major success in terms of the growth in numbers of passengers. I grew up in Highbury, served by the "North London Line", it was always very shabby. I recall that it didn't run at all on winter Sundays prior to the Overground takeover. Nowadays it has been very crowded each time I've used it on Sundays.

Keith | 29.11.24 - 9:35 a.m. | #

This has made me realise that one of the things that makes Japan's train system so nice is that every line has a name and identity. Even for operators that only operate a single line.

Lmm | 29.11.24 - 10:08 a.m. | #

Excellent summary of the Overground!

Loving the "big tangerine octopus"

ST | 29.11.24 - 10:38 a.m. | #

The East London line extension along the disused viaduct to Dalston had been talked about for years before finally happening in the mid 2000s. It certainly wasn't a cheap scheme, or else it would have happened much earlier!

The previous Silverlink service along the North London Line and Goblin (especially) had been very poor, while the East London Line wasn't very useful. This initial part of the Overground network is still the most transformational part of it.

Mikey C | 29.11.24 - 10:39 a.m. | #

Glad to see the ‘incorrect’ Sep 24 leaflet maps have all been withdrawn, yet the even more incorrect Dec 23 maps remain on display. Still, just add the reprint cost to the £6m+ bill.

Kim | 29.11.24 - 11:10 a.m. | #

The typo isn't that "line" was missing after "Mildmay" - it's that "line" was there at all for anything other than the Elizabeth Line!

J | 29.11.24 - 12:52 p.m. | #

Plenty of maps in the racks at Paddington Crossrail this morning. Or rather slightly fewer now.

martin | 29.11.24 - 1:09 p.m. | #

Great summary!

Greg S | 29.11.24 - 5:22 p.m. | #

Service status boards looking nice at stations. TfL website status page going without the 'line' at the end of each one (better imo), but the Elizabeth line of course keeps its 'line'.

A shame the service status announcements in train on the Victoria Line can't have been given priority to have been updated and are instead lumped with everything else. Your May 2015 post, if anything, illustrates why in particular the Victoria Line could benefit from it sooner.

matthieu1221 | 29.11.24 - 9:11 p.m. | #

the ELL extension was a 20 year + vision, achieved despite barriers erected by parties who, cheekily, would later claim credit for the whole thing.

also, the impact of the Games in making the business case for the NLL upgrades should not be overlooked. arguably, we still feel the benefit from that today - and not just at Stratford.

PeterT | 29.11.24 - 9:53 p.m. | #

Thanks for the timeline summary. Hopefully the Overground will make more sense as I become familiar with what lines go where.

Cornish Cockney | 29.11.24 - 11:47 p.m. | #

Once again the Mayor of London has proven his political agility, out manoeuvring his opponents who are left to whinge on the sidelines about the small cost of the re-naming, just like they did for Superloop & ULEZ.

Steve | 30.11.24 - 7:33 a.m. | #

I am now reminded that someone on another forum stated that "the Tube" is not strictly speaking the same as "the Underground" but I can't remember the exact reason. Something to do with the type of track possibly as the stations were adopted/adapted?

dg writes: Tube = Underground

Patrick | 30.11.24 - 5:16 p.m. | #

Yes, "colloquial shorthand" as your link states and the same to most of us. Not sure if I can still find the pedantic explanation I was given for any historical difference.

Patrick | 30.11.24 - 5:30 p.m. | #

Google Maps have taken the interesting decision to not replace the orange lines, but to put new coloured lines on as well, and not to perfectly overlay them in most places, so you can see both.

I wonder if this is just temporary.

dg writes: Reddit reckons unintended incompetence

Bruce Tenmile | 05.12.24 - 3:20 p.m. | #

Patrick, the original services were built by digging up the road, laying tracks, and putting a road back on top. The ‘tube’ refers specifically to the deep-level tubes, built quite a bit later, that were cut from inside, originally with pick axes but later with tunnel boring machines. If you prefer an example, think District/Met vs Piccadilly - you can still see differences in the profiles of the trains.

TfL and ‘normies’ try to blur the distinction, but pedants still get upset when ‘tube’ is used to refer to both types as technically it shouldn’t be.

Nick | 07.12.24 - 1:06 a.m. | #

Thank you for that, Nick. That's what they must have been referring to. Appreciate your reply.

Thankfully I subscribed to this particular posts comments but the Trident notification system is very annoying as it links to the option of unsubscribing but doesn't indicate or link to the actual original post or comment thread that is relevant so to follow up you have to try to find it manually on the blog as far as I can see.

Patrick | 07.12.24 - 11:52 a.m. | #











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