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In the 90s, both Thameslink and the North London Line were shown on the tube map. I don't know why they ever took them off.
Lew | 13.11.12 - 12:41 a.m. | #
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AIUI it was agreed to take Thameslink off because it was already over capacity, so the last thing it needed was more passengers. Hopefully it'll reappear either now or after the LBG rebuild.
The NLL wasn't taken off the Tube map (unless you count the move to LO, which would be a bit of a cheat).
john b | Homepage | 13.11.12 - 1:22 a.m. | #
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I think Thameslink from West Hampstead to E&C / London Bridge would be a sensible addition as services are pretty frequent over that section. It gets more difficult as the service branches to other places - do you show the service through Denmark Hill/Peckham Rye because it would link with the new Overground route even though T/L trains only run half hourly? Don't forget that Thameslink will also link to Finsbury Park and I would expect this aspect to be shown on the tube map.
I would also restore the Moorgate - Finsbury Park line to the map. It was once part of the tube network and, despite the limited hours of operation, is still a useful link.
Crossrail will have to be shown but the Tube Map will become untenable if it has to be stretched to reach Maidenhead and Shenfield! I guess it will have to show the basic service structure including Heathrow / Slough?, Abbey Wood and Romford (?) to broadly align with the existing "reach" of the Tube Map. It will probably look messy though.
What I would prefer to see is a much wider distribution of the National Rail London area map alongside the Tube Map. That would give people easy access to the maps for London's main line rail services and the old "NSE" area services beyond. I know people have mixed views about how the NR map works and presents its info but it is better than nothing. Its poor availability means you have to rely on seeing maybe the odd example once you reach the platform. That's not really good enough given how important the wider rail network is - especially as PAYG has boosted usage.
I hope the advent of frequent Cross London services on Thameslink and Crossrail will force the wider distribution of the NR London Area map alongside the Tube Map. It would seem logical to do this in order to fully open up the scope of the new services. It might even prompt a redesign but we've got years to ponder what that might mean.
PC | 13.11.12 - 1:28 a.m. | #
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Hmm personally - the Ultra Rapid transit system on Heathrow.It is free, fun, small, however I really loved this cars(and yeah traveling on free tube card which was attached to my Olympic Ticket) :-)
Also would love to see how the London underground connects with Rio, guessing by this
http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgeezer/7783608568/
there is some connection, maybe it is something like Hogwart-Potter 9 3/4 platform-train...
Peter | 13.11.12 - 4:48 a.m. | #
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in the early 70s, what was then called the North London line was not shown on the tube map because it was run by British Rail (or whatever that organisation was called at the time). there was a campaign to show it on the map, because most people didn't know it existed, and eventually this happened, till then the map had been purely underground lines
amber | 13.11.12 - 4:53 a.m. | #
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@amber I remember when the North London Line was not on the tube map.It seems hard imagine now, but the service was little used and the line was under of closure. Campaigners fought to keep the line open and getting it shown on the tube map was to get the line more well known/used.
I agree with PC comment, the National rail London area map is very useful, having both the tube and NR services displayed.
John | 13.11.12 - 7:22 a.m. | #
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I still like Mark Noad's new angled tube map, here:
http://www.london-tubemap.com/
geofftech | Homepage | 13.11.12 - 8:36 a.m. | #
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Some years ago I remember seeing a 2025 indicative map with all the proposed (but some unfunded and definitely shelved now) projects drawn on
http://altaria.vm.bytemark.co.uk/tube/T2025_indicative_tfL_trnsprt.pdf
Now THAT'S a map!
mdb | 13.11.12 - 8:40 a.m. | #
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The idea of a separate tube map is becoming increasingly hard to justify. In the past the Underground more often than not had a higher frequency than National Rail services so it made sense for them to have their own map but this is less true these days. The fact the Tube map has now basically become the TFL corporate map makes it even harder to defend a map that shows, for example, the GOBLIN but not Thameslink.
The question then is what to replace the Tube Map with. The old-style London Connections map that PC mentions is good but contains more information than most people need and is therefore very complicated. But it's hard to know which lines to leave out and which to include.
Therefore my preference is for a map that a central London map showing everything in roughly Zones 1 and 2. This would cover most of the areas that are of interest to vistors without overwhelming them too much. There is a map like this included in the free tourist guides but I think it should be made more widely available.
Whiff | 13.11.12 - 10:18 a.m. | #
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use of the underground has probably changed a lot since the early 80s when the concept of zones was introduced. before that, those of us with season tickets could travel as often as we wished, at no further cost, between the two fixed points we'd paid for, usually home and work. when this changed to a set number of zones, "free" travel was extended and ticket holders might have been more likely to explore
amber | 13.11.12 - 12:25 p.m. | #
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How do you get time to go to all these places?
steve | 13.11.12 - 4:35 p.m. | #
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I suspect there is some politics in play here. TfL uses the tube map to promote London Overground, and will resist adding other rail lines until they too have been incorporated into the TfL fold.
I heard talk that Thameslink and Crossrail may both go under TfL control in which case they'll appear on the map.
Dan | 14.11.12 - 8:53 a.m. | #
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Looks like tfl haven't given up in that aim.
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/businessandpartners/thameslink-franchise-consultation-response.pdf
Dan | 14.11.12 - 8:56 a.m. | #
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They should definitely show SWT put as far as Raynes Park - it's high frequency and shows much easier links between Warerloo/Vauxhall/Clapham/Wimbledon than the tube map suggests
Daniel | 14.11.12 - 9:59 a.m. | #
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