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This is online early. A nice surprise during a sleepless night!
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Surprisingly, those badly-spelled nightclubs are incredibly popular. Apparently Kingston is as much of a mecca for clubbers as it is for shoppers.
Whiff | 23.01.14 - 2:25 a.m. | #
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The University would account for the town being a clubber's paradise.
Rick | 23.01.14 - 7:23 a.m. | #
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Considering that it has a nice range of shops, isn't too filthy, and gets a good train service I should like Kingston.
Instead, it's my idea of hell on earth. I think the traffic has a lot to do with that, but the place always raises my blood pressure whether I'm driving or not.
Chz | 23.01.14 - 7:56 a.m. | #
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Here's hoping you have a tilt at the 458 or 461 next!
Matt | 23.01.14 - 8:56 a.m. | #
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@Rick
and the college too?!
...an DG, you wear trainers? did not expect that :)
E | 23.01.14 - 10:41 a.m. | #
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Ha ha, of course you were never going to go spinning out to the depths of Surrey on a London circumnavigation. I don't think catching the 465 from Hook to Kingston would have counted (to the man on the Dorking omnibus) as 'doing' the 465.
Keep up the good work. Looking forward to the next instalment, and the 465 whenever that eventually comes.
I liked Matthew Somerville's live bus map, an excellent find.
Lorenzo | 23.01.14 - 10:45 a.m. | #
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Go on. 111, you know it's best. Unless you want to go to Sunbury Cross.
xmb53 | 23.01.14 - 10:51 a.m. | #
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The 71 - a route I know very well, having commuted on it for some years (when it ran north of Kingston) and more recently as a "distress purchase" when SWT have given up running to Kingston and I've had to go to Surbiton instead.
Yes, it is dull. A pity you missed the 465, as it takes a rather more scenic route into Kingston Town Centre, alongside the river and past the Market Place. Still, at least this has broken the stranglehold of routes with 4s and 6s in their numbers!
@Matt, XMB53: Unless DG is planning to stray a very long way "inland" from the boundary in north London, he has already given us a very big clue as to what comes next. If I'm right, you'll see a more interesting side to Kingston on the way out.
timbo | 23.01.14 - 11:30 a.m. | #
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Everyone commenting seems to know exactly where the London boundary runs. Except me. I appreciate it would clutter the map a bit, but it would be nice if we could see this famous boundary on the map. Of course it might be too much work.
Malcolm | 23.01.14 - 11:41 a.m. | #
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@Malcolm
...you not alone, some people "think" they know the boundary, others "guess" they know it. I, on the other hand, will "assume" it the outer-edge of the outer-most 'London boroughs'. Then again...
E | 23.01.14 - 12:18 p.m. | #
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@Malcolm
Advice from another contributor earlier this month, repeated here for convenience:
"For an overlay on DG's map, load up the map, type 'Greater London', press enter, and hit the back button to go back to the routes. The outline of London remains superimposed on the map in a desktop browser".
[dg wrote: "I think I've now managed to add that border to the map permanently" but it still seems to be missing unless you go through those hoops. The South West London bus map linked to in today's other post (and its three fellows) all show the border too.]
Bluewater and Epsom are outside Greater London - all other change-points so far have been within.
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Malcolm - you can also try this site which I linked to a few days ago.
http://londonboroughsmap.co.uk
Whiff | 23.01.14 - 4:48 p.m. | #
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Sorry, but unlike most other online maps, Google Maps doesn't believe in showing boundaries. There is a tweak you can do to make the Greater London boundary appear temporarily, but as soon as you zoom in beyond a certain point, it vanishes.
The best way to view buses and the border is via TfL's excellent quadrant maps - see the links in today's other post.
diamond geezer | Homepage | 23.01.14 - 5:35 p.m. | #
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Kingston appears to benefit from/have the fate of (depending on your view) two 'bus stations'?! Wonder if any other 'town centre' in Greater London has more than one bus station?
Ed | 23.01.14 - 5:47 p.m. | #
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It would be nice if DG used a non-TfL bus other than the X80 which he'll have to do, but I do think the 216 is the logical next step - it's almost a perfect match, staying close to the border throughout.
An Abellio Surrey would be nice but they go further from the border. Maybe there's a whole day to be had exploring the strange white non-TfL buses which no one uses in Kingston?!
Alex | 23.01.14 - 7:13 p.m. | #
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Ed - try Stratford, (arguably) Finsbury Park and (arguably) Hammersmith.
Stephen | 23.01.14 - 7:44 p.m. | #
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In fact, the "(arguably)" might arguably apply to Stratford too
Stephen | 23.01.14 - 7:45 p.m. | #
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Oh, and Croydon (West and East)
Stephen | 24.01.14 - 12:49 a.m. | #
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Was fascinating to watch the Pathe film about the Ace of Spades roadhouse. When I was a kid, my friend Michael and I used to play in the derelict premises (which was actually opposite the Cap in Hand on the other side of the A243) and even though it appeared to have been closed for many years, the empty pool and "Ace of Spades" sign remained. I used to try to imagine what the place must have been like in its heyday so it was a real treat to see the glamorous reality... thank you.
Richard Thompson | 24.01.14 - 7:50 p.m. | #
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Timbo, you mean.... the 285? The 111 will take you along the boundary at Hampton Court to Hampton. I use the 111 as a part of my local knowledge hike once they've walked through Bushey Park and got them lost in Hampton Court maze.
xmb53 | 25.01.14 - 10:26 a.m. | #
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The 65 from Ealing Broadway used to follow the 71 route through Richmond and Kingston and on to Chessington Zoo, as it was then. The routes are now separated so it's now a 2 bus route from Hook or Surbiton to Richmond.
I wish I'd known you were passing by DG, I could have hopped on with a little bucket to save your trainers.
I always sit at the top front seat too, my highlights are also Graham Gardens & the buses to Mansfield Park, we must share the same sense of humour. Surrey County Hall is continuously used as a film set, must be a nice little earner for Surrey.
Looking forward to your return next month when your trainers will have dried out.
Nicola | 27.01.14 - 2:26 p.m. | #
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The Cap in Hand wasn't the Ace of Spades. It was on the other side of the A243 next to where the Shell Garage is. The Ace sign is still on the facade of the building, which is now a golf shop.
I'm pretty sure the Ace burnt down many years ago, hence there's really only the front left
Stuart | 18.06.15 - 4:56 p.m. | #
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