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I give it until 9.30 before one of your readers has published a web tool to work out your London antipode for you.
(Waiting for this to appear is probably easier than trying to dig out my poster-sized A-Z map and a long enough ruler)
martin | 07.03.18 - 7:06 a.m. | #
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Pedantry follows...
Surely: The UK and NZ are antipodes (of each other), but NZ is the antipode (singular) of the UK?
Jimmy | 07.03.18 - 7:11 a.m. | #
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Amsterdam and the Atlantic ocean (about 20 miles west of tintagel) if I measure using the digits of my middle finger.
Tim | 07.03.18 - 7:17 a.m. | #
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If you care about distance across the surface of the Earth, as opposed to distance on the map, then the calculations will be slightly different, due to distortion from the map projection.
That said, at this kind of scale it shouldn’t make a huge difference.
Frankie Roberto | 07.03.18 - 7:27 a.m. | #
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Commenters may also propose another term for this measure as antipodes doesn't necessarily 'have to do'.
I have no such suggestion.
Frank F | 07.03.18 - 7:45 a.m. | #
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Wow, you are almost exactly my antipode. I live just on the northern side of Hammersmith Bridge!
dg writes: That puts yours at the other end of Bow Road, just outside Tower Hamlets Cemetery.
Greg | 07.03.18 - 7:51 a.m. | #
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Oh joy! Castelnau has a bus stop M !!
dg writes: Yes it does. But that's not it in the photo (that's bus stop BK in Barnes).
Gordon | 07.03.18 - 7:52 a.m. | #
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When long distance bus and coach routes were deregulated in 1980, Reading and Southend municipal bus companies started a new through bus route between the towns running almost in a straight line, which for a time became hugely popular especially with commuters ~ now I know why.
Roger French | Homepage | 07.03.18 - 8:00 a.m. | #
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@Frank F: Is this "opposite location" an antipoint, perhaps?
I know this is just a bit of fun, but I was going to mention the difficulty of drawing straight lines on maps (or indeed straight tunnels underground) as highlighted by IanVisits in relation to Crossrail yesterday. Depending on your coordinate system, you could be hundred of metres out.
Andrew | 07.03.18 - 8:20 a.m. | #
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I end up in the Tate & Lyle refinery.
May be a bit difficult to pay a visit.
HoosierSands | Homepage | 07.03.18 - 8:23 a.m. | #
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I am from Romford and always felt that the town had an unusually strong affinity with Feltham Young Offenders prison.
DannyR | 07.03.18 - 8:37 a.m. | #
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This raises the question, what is the fairest definition of the centre of London? Charing Cross feels too South and too West.
My proposal, the spot from where the largest area of outer London can be reached by public transport in the shortest time.
Now how to work that out...
Dan | 07.03.18 - 8:46 a.m. | #
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Well I gave it a go via Photoshop but unfortunately Brussels ends up off the Welsh coast near a caravan park in Cwmtydu.
Agree though how 'South-easterly' London is, every time I head over the client thinks I've been travelling for a day when of course it's faster to get here than Euston -> Manchester for example.
Kevin | 07.03.18 - 9:00 a.m. | #
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I always thought of Canterbury, where I grew up, as east of London, and Oxford as north: so that was a surprise.
RogerB | 07.03.18 - 9:02 a.m. | #
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@Andrew: I been thinking maybe some variant on 'oppositome'.
As in opposite to me..?
Frank F | 07.03.18 - 9:06 a.m. | #
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There's a handy ruler tool on Google Maps, which makes it really easy.
Mine is Rectory Park in Northolt.
Matthew | 07.03.18 - 9:26 a.m. | #
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I always know I’m reading a good blog entry when I miss my tube stop... cue realising I’m at Pimlico.
Flare | 07.03.18 - 9:34 a.m. | #
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From North Mitcham, mine is somewhere just off the A10 in Tottenham. Not a million miles away from the Ikea, just like I am from the Croydon one.
Ian C | 07.03.18 - 10:13 a.m. | #
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From Harrow, mine is Blackfen Road (between Bexleyheath and Sidcup) opposite what looks like a school's playing field.
I barely even think of those places as being in London at all!
Looking at the houses nearby, they are a remarkably similar hotch-potch of styles to those in my road!
Cornish Cockney | 07.03.18 - 10:32 a.m. | #
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The antipode of Elephant & Castle is roughly Baker Street Station. Which is kind of interesting and appropriate considering they're both on the Inner Ring Road.
zappomatic | 07.03.18 - 10:36 a.m. | #
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Looks like my antipode is about half way between Tomsk and Yakutsk in western Siberia. Somewhere in the deepest taiga.
Russia is really really big. I'm an ocean and a continent away and the antipode is still not all the way across Russia in the opposite direction. Not quite in eastern Siberia.
jmc | 07.03.18 - 12:12 p.m. | #
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From my home in Llanllyfni, Gwynedd, I get field by the D29 near Lemé in France https://goo.gl/maps/4hxRqtUhR4G2
HowardH | 07.03.18 - 12:13 p.m. | #
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Fascinating. I agree that there is probably a term already in use, but my (briefish) bit of internet prodding has not yielded it.
Of course, doing the calculation with Lat and Long is equivalent to drawing the straight line on a Mercator projection, whereas the nearest analogue to a straight line on a globe is a great circle, which is different. But you could use a stereographic projection of the world centred on Charing Cross.
Malcolm | 07.03.18 - 12:18 p.m. | #
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you can use http://www.gmapgis.com/ to draw some straight lines!
escobar | 07.03.18 - 12:19 p.m. | #
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From my home in Newport Pagnell I'm in a field approximately 3km WNW of Battle Abbey.
NPIan | 07.03.18 - 1:24 p.m. | #
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I worked in Castelnau for 4 years and know the area well. The Red Lion has just been renovated and looks rather striking. Prior to that it was a rather nasty shade of concrete grey and looked like a prison watch-tower. A pint of keg beer will set you back a good £6.
Barnes is a very pretty village that is now full of wankers who all walk around as if they are playing some kind of part. They're all TV people, bankers, actors and writers and have trampled on others to get where they are. Their kids are all called Maximillian and Poppy and Mummy drives them about in a 4WD from school to home to Latin class. They're all new money and they won't part with a penny unless they're drinking their wankerccinos and networking at the local Starbucks. At Christmas their cherubin children walk the streets with rosy cheeks past 20-ft high trees decorated by their live-in decorations advisors to the local posh cinema where they watch "It's a Wonderful Life" whilst thinking, "I live there. I'm living the dream". Their north-south fantasy-delusion zone starts at Hammersmith Bridge and ends at the Upper Richmond Road. Reality never permeates.
daveid76 | 07.03.18 - 1:35 p.m. | #
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From my home in Walthamstow, I end up in Ridgeway Place in Wimbledon. Just as handy for Wimbledon Station as I am for Blackhorse Road now.
WalthIan | 07.03.18 - 1:48 p.m. | #
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What a great way to find a new place to investigate. I've ended up with Ofcom's radio monitoring station just to the east of Baldock.
Tunnel Bore | 07.03.18 - 2:17 p.m. | #
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Jimmy: As I understand it, 'antipodes' originally referred to the people who lived on the opposite side of the earth, and that is why the default form is always plural.
'And like antipodes in shoes
Have shod their heads in their canoes'.
Andrew M | 07.03.18 - 2:32 p.m. | #
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PS: The other traditional centre of London, apart from Charing Cross, was the Standard in Cornhill (which isn't there any more. but was apparently near the junction with Leadenhall Street).
Andrew M | 07.03.18 - 2:41 p.m. | #
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Beckenham Place Park
Looks lovely. Will have to go someday.
jg | Homepage | 07.03.18 - 2:43 p.m. | #
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Genuinely surprised, in a non judgemental way, to see you use the name 'Londonderry'.
Also where I now live is the antipode of where my Da grew up!
Nick | 07.03.18 - 2:50 p.m. | #
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(It's all Greek to me, but I understand anti-podes means opposite-feet. The singular of "podes" is "pous" (cf octopus, platypus)
My own antipodes are near the M11/ North Circular road junction in Woodford.
timbo again | Homepage | 07.03.18 - 4:58 p.m. | #
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@Dan
There has been much discussion of the geographical centre of London.
The geometric centre of Greater London is near the London Ambulance Service HQ in Waterloo, whilst weighted for population you end up in the Shell Centre on the South Bank. The centroid of the Congestion Charge Zone is on the other side of the river, near Somerset House, whilst according to Londonist the centroid of Zone 1 is on the Haymarket, near Picadilly Circus. King Charles I seems a reasonable compromise between these four!
timbo again again | Homepage | 07.03.18 - 5:01 p.m. | #
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It is interesting to note how closely, or otherwise, the Oyster Zones match on the antipodal points noted by DG - most of them correspond but there are exceptions, usually with west London in a more outward zone than its eastern counterpart:
Wembley (Zone 4) v Lewisham (2/3).
Hampton Court (6) v Hainault (4)
Bushey (8) v Orpington (6)
and one counterexample
Motspur Park (4) v Chingford (5)
timbo again again again | Homepage | 07.03.18 - 5:02 p.m. | #
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For me, it's the junction of Carlshalton Grove and Cross Road in, you guessed it, Carlshalton. From one late Victorian railway suburb to another...
Steve | 07.03.18 - 5:49 p.m. | #
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Wel, mine is the middle of the Thames at Purfleet. Don't think I'll bother visiting!
Keith | 07.03.18 - 6:14 p.m. | #
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Thanks for all the working out DG. I really don't know how you do it.
The thread is made even more entertaining by the splendid rant from daveid76 at 1:35 with which I heartily concur as other areas of London are the same, EG - Blackheath.
Wankerccinos is now in my lexicon.
Chris | 07.03.18 - 6:14 p.m. | #
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My family home and the first place I lived when I left home happen to be the same distance from the King Charles I statue as each other. Peckham has changed a bit since then.
A line drawn from my current location brings me to just north of Swansea.
Tetramesh | Homepage | 07.03.18 - 6:42 p.m. | #
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Total distance 1714km - Galliac, near Toulouse.
Burntweenie | 07.03.18 - 7:39 p.m. | #
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@timbo again, so you're my approx. antipode(s). To save me having to work it out, where are you (roughly)? I'm just south of the North Circular in South Woodford.
amber | 07.03.18 - 8:52 p.m. | #
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Wow.. reeling from the comments of daveid76 earlier.
Having visited Barnes recently, and briefly having shared a bar room with Aled Jones, I cant say I demur - he's spot on!
Frank F | 08.03.18 - 12:13 a.m. | #
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Another way to identify your antipoint, without drawing a line (but still ignoring the curvature of the earth), would be to rotate your map by 180 degrees about the central point, identifying the new location where your old one was.
Rich G | Homepage | 08.03.18 - 12:17 a.m. | #
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I lived in Barnes for about a year and a half and can confirm that what daveid76 says is spot on, even down to a child called Maximillian.
Tetramesh | Homepage | 08.03.18 - 6:11 a.m. | #
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I usually have a decent idea of relative distances in the city, but there was one that threw me. I usually think of Penge as nestled up to Croydon, but Cockfosters as a long way from Finchley.
Based on that, I think I end up somewhere in South Enfield. Or thereabouts. Probably quite close to Steve, above, since Carshalton's just up the road from Wallington Green.
Chz | 08.03.18 - 7:34 a.m. | #
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"and a lot of the continent is much nearer to us than a lot of our own country" >> Very much like Sweden, Norway and Greenland I suppose?
Patrickov | 08.03.18 - 7:45 a.m. | #
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All of you people have exciting antipodes! Mine is in the middle of nowhere in the French department of Eure, around 80km to the north west of Paris.
TheLupineOne | 08.03.18 - 8:51 a.m. | #
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Addendum: My antipode is apparently Grange Park, which I've never heard of before. I'd have called it the bit between Enfield and winchmore Hill.
Chz | 08.03.18 - 9:38 a.m. | #
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From St Albans, I seem to end up somewhere near Chartwell.
Andrew | 08.03.18 - 10:41 a.m. | #
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Londonderry is in North Yorkshire, of course. (That is, there is a place in North Yorkshire whose name is unquestionably Londonderry. I think it is called after Lord Londonderry.)
Andrew M | 08.03.18 - 12:40 p.m. | #
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I'm surprised no one else mentioned using the National Grid coordinates. As well as OS maps, the A-Z uses the National Grid.
Stephen Bird | 08.03.18 - 7:55 p.m. | #
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Fascinating stuff. The antipode (I also like antipoint as a descriptor of this) of my office in Millbank Tower is the SOAS.
Mark | Homepage | 09.03.18 - 10:17 a.m. | #
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Well my antipodes from home is where I work (Brixton/Gospel Oak). Fancy that!
NickW | 11.03.18 - 11:50 a.m. | #
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My "round earth antipodes" is in Wendover Woods in the Chilterns, and my "flat earth antipodes" is nearby Chivery. My home is near Maidstone, Kent. Each point is around 30.5 miles from the centre of London.
I got two different results, depending on which method I used. One method was subtracting the OS grid references (flat earth). Then I subtracted the coordinates in degrees (round earth, and much easier if you convert degrees and minutes into decimals first, and also much simpler if you set up a spreadsheet).
The two answers were about 2/3 of a mile from each other. As other commenters have suggested, it is because of the errors that result from making one's calculations on the basis of the earth's surface being flat, when in fact it curves. Working with degrees will give a more accurate answer over longer distances.
Danny Robinson | 22.03.18 - 4:43 p.m. | #
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dg — that 'villa now used by the Czech/Slovak community which has two entirely unofficial blue plaques stuck on the front' opposite the gate of St Paul's School is also an unofficial bus stop for the 419, which is hail-and-ride from the Lonsdale Road junction with Castelanu, up to just beyond the Harrodian, further down Lonsdale Road. Spent many days sitting on the low wall that was there waiting for a bus after school.
direthoughts | 02.04.18 - 2:47 p.m. | #
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P.S.: they've now put some railings up on that low wall! Damn shame.
direthoughts | 02.04.18 - 2:49 p.m. | #
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